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Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN:

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN:
Date 2017-05-04 15:01 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2017May4.170135@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> writes:
>Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> wrote:
>> 
>> That's what I see as the Forth way: To solve a problem, extend Forth to 
>> solve your problem.  If it's a parsing problem, change the parser.
>
>Sure, but it doesn't have to be the standard parser + hooks: it could
>simply be another parser.  Writing Forth parsers is easy, and that's
>better than a single parser with lotsa hooks, IMO.

And yet, VFX has lotsa hooks, SwiftForth has a relatively elaborate
hook system (halfway to the present proposal), Gforth, AmForth, WF32
etc. have recognizers.  Why did they not follow your idea, and let
those who want more recognizers write another parser?

1) You would need to rewrite the whole parser to add another
recognizer.  That's not the simplest way to do it.

2) Writing another parser does not compose: If I write a parser that
recognizes locals, words, integers, and FP numbers in order to get FP
numbers, and you write one for recognizing locals, words, integers,
and dates, how do I get one that recognizes locals, words, integers,
FP numbers, and dates?  I have to start from scratch.  While the
systems in VFX and SwiftForth are not great on composability, they are
better.

3) How do I get my shiny new parser to be called by QUIT, INCLUDED,
LOAD, and EVALUATE?  That's probably not a problem for a system
implementor (just use carnal knowledge), but how does somebody who
wants to write a portable program do it?

- anton
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Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 03:31 +0100
  Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-04-29 20:21 -0700
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-30 03:30 -0500
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 09:51 +0000
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-30 07:50 -0500
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 14:05 +0100
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-30 08:11 -0500
              Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 14:18 +0100
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 14:01 +0000
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 15:36 +0100
              Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-01 01:48 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 11:13 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-01 04:40 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 18:01 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-01 11:42 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 20:47 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-01 13:56 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:07 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 23:17 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 22:33 +0100
              Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-02 03:49 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-02 12:27 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 11:42 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-02 11:41 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: john <anon@example.com> - 2017-05-02 12:13 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-05-02 09:42 -1000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-02 14:13 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-02 12:32 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-02 18:55 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-02 13:05 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 13:18 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-04 08:55 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 11:36 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-03 06:39 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-08 10:22 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 11:52 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-09 02:45 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-09 03:47 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-09 12:52 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 10:38 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 11:08 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-09 08:33 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-09 15:39 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-09 09:14 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 16:40 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-10 05:48 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 07:47 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 11:10 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 11:47 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-02 22:47 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-03 04:31 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 15:01 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-04 12:10 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-03 04:29 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:27 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-04 02:35 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 14:00 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-04 12:21 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-04 19:14 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-05 09:17 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-05 07:31 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-05 10:27 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-05 15:25 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-05 12:21 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-06 16:37 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-06 13:18 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-05 20:32 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-06 01:06 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-07 03:54 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-07 13:46 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-07 07:59 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-07 11:31 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-07 20:22 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-08 04:17 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 15:30 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:00 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 13:50 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-08 09:51 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 15:40 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-09 16:32 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 16:19 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-09 18:53 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-09 18:12 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 10:41 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-09 19:12 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-07 22:46 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-08 03:50 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 02:42 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 03:58 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-08 12:35 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 05:49 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-08 16:28 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 07:54 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-08 17:16 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 09:23 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 16:31 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: mhx@iae.nl - 2017-05-08 11:14 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-08 19:27 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-09 16:39 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 14:53 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 20:43 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 15:02 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-09 12:24 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-07 23:34 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 01:17 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-08 12:30 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 07:49 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-08 10:58 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 11:44 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:04 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 17:30 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 04:07 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 14:11 +0300
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 13:59 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 14:04 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 14:06 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 13:02 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 06:07 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 14:30 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 11:59 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 15:10 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 14:33 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 16:08 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 16:02 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 09:10 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 18:38 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-08 04:03 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-08 13:32 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-08 16:11 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-04 20:29 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-07 14:55 +0000
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-02 02:47 -0500
              Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-02 15:02 +0000
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 12:11 +0100
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-04-30 06:34 -0700
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 06:59 -0700
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 15:04 +0100
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 09:38 -0700
  Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 09:36 +0000
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 11:46 +0100
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 14:12 +0000
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 16:39 +0100
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 09:25 -0700
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 16:23 +0000
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 09:06 -0700
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-30 18:00 +0100
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-01 01:30 -0700
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-02 13:06 +0000
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-02 06:24 -0700
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 13:13 +0000
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-03 04:20 -0700
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 15:17 +0000
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-02 12:46 +0000
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 07:58 +0100
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: mhx@iae.nl - 2017-05-03 10:52 -0700
  Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 08:51 -0700
  Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-04-30 22:54 +0000
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 01:01 -0700
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-02 15:10 +0000

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