Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN:

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN:
Date	2017-05-04 14:00 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
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Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> writes:
>IMO, extensions to forth should be adopted by implementers before
>being seriously proposed for standardization.  If the extensions are
>good they will be widely adopted, regardless of whether they are
>standard or not.

In this case the extension has been widely adopted, far more widely
than <http://www.forth200x.org/n-to-r.html>,
<http://www.forth200x.org/text-substitution.txt>, and
<http://www.forth200x.org/xchar.html> before they were standardized.
Every major system has had "number parsing hooks" and possibly other
hooks in the text interpreter for decades.  The recognizer proposal
proposes standardizing these features.

Of course, because these hooks were all different, you cannot just
take the documentation of one system and propose that system's feature
for standardization, just like Forth-94 could not just standardize
NOT, or use one system's file words, or use one system's
address-computation words.  So, what we get is a proposal for an
existing feature that uses new words, just like Forth-94 introduced
the new words INVERT, OPEN-FILE, and CELL+ (etc.).

>Because without a way to control conflicting recognizers, the result
>will be a disaster.  IMO.

If you think so, propose a way for controlling conflict, but don't
complain about complexity then.

E.g., I can imagine trying all the recognizers on the string, and
producing a warning if more than one matches.  This would even trigger
on existing cases like

HEX ADD

but unfortunately not on the "2," case above.

>My view is that extending recognizers with a
>POSTPONE action is an excessive "Hey!  Isn't that a neat trick?"
>feature.

I find it a useful feature that makes Forth easier to understand,
teach, and use.  It's no longer necessary to explain to students that
they cannot

POSTPONE 123

but have to use the magic incantation 

123 POSTPONE literal

instead.  And it's no longer necessary to write

]] bla bla [[ 123 ]] literal bla bla [[

which does not contribute to clarity at all.  Instead, I can then
write

]] bla bla 123 bla bla [[

>> Indeed. It's like a chicken-and-egg problem. No system implementor
>> will ever think about changes they consider fundamental if no user
>> demands them. And no user will use them if no system provides them.
>> This is the death of every change, may it for the worse or may it be
>> for the better. A static language is a dead language. See Latin.
>
>I agree, but standardization is completely the wrong way to approach
>this.  If by the end of all this discussion serious system
>implementers and Forth vendors report a successful adoption of this
>technique I won't stand in the way.

System implementors and Forth vendors have had this feature in some
form or other for a long time; of course, because it was not
standardized, they diverged in the implementation and the interfaces.
The present proposal proposes a common interface.

>Hey, if people really use it in
>applications I'll probably even vote in favour.

The system implementors and Forth vendors did not put the hooks into
their systems for no reason; they are used in applications.

>When changes to the standard language have been made by fiat without
>wide deployment experience it hasn't always worked out well.  I cite
>the FORTH-83 DO ... +LOOP as the poster child of standardization
>disasters.  It was dreamt up, presented to the committee, and
>standardized in a whirl, and we're still living with it.

If we are still living with it 34 years later, it obviously was not a
disaster.  If it had been a disaster, it would have been removed or
replaced in Forth-94.  As it is, there is not even a proposal for
removing or replacing it around now, not even from you.

A better example would be LOCALS|.  It's so unpopular that is became
obsolescent at the next opportunity and replaced with "{:". And yet
the Forth-94 locals wordset provided progress: It includes (LOCAL),
which allows to define the "{:" in Forth-94, and describes the
behaviour of locals themselves.

But there were also examples of features that were added without much
prior adoption and usage, and they are very successful: CELL+ and
COMPILE, are similar to recognizers in that they were present in all
systems in some other form.  CATCH and THROW are an example of a
feature that was not widely implemented and used in Forth systems
before being standardized.

And for recognizers there is no whirl factor.  This has been in the
works for some time, presented to committe members and the wider
community repeatedly, there are several implementations around,
including one for VFX (which Stephen Pelc refused to even look at).
The objections are not based on experience with the implementations,
but on something else.

- anton
-- 
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Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 03:31 +0100
  Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-04-29 20:21 -0700
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-30 03:30 -0500
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 09:51 +0000
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-30 07:50 -0500
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 14:05 +0100
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-04-30 08:11 -0500
              Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 14:18 +0100
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 14:01 +0000
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 15:36 +0100
              Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-01 01:48 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 11:13 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-01 04:40 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 18:01 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-01 11:42 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 20:47 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-01 13:56 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:07 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 23:17 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-01 22:33 +0100
              Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-02 03:49 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-02 12:27 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 11:42 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-02 11:41 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: john <anon@example.com> - 2017-05-02 12:13 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-05-02 09:42 -1000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-02 14:13 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-02 12:32 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-02 18:55 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-02 13:05 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 13:18 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-04 08:55 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 11:36 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-03 06:39 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-08 10:22 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 11:52 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org - 2017-05-09 02:45 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-09 03:47 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-09 12:52 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 10:38 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 11:08 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-09 08:33 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-09 15:39 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-09 09:14 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 16:40 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-10 05:48 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 07:47 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 11:10 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 11:47 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-02 22:47 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-03 04:31 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 15:01 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-04 12:10 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-03 04:29 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:27 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-04 02:35 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 14:00 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-04 12:21 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-04 19:14 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-05 09:17 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-05 07:31 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-05 10:27 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-05 15:25 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-05 12:21 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-06 16:37 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-06 13:18 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-05 20:32 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-06 01:06 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-07 03:54 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-07 13:46 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-07 07:59 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-07 11:31 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-07 20:22 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-08 04:17 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 15:30 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 12:00 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 13:50 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-08 09:51 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 15:40 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-09 16:32 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 16:19 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-09 18:53 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-09 18:12 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 10:41 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-09 19:12 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-07 22:46 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-08 03:50 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 02:42 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 03:58 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-08 12:35 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 05:49 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-08 16:28 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 07:54 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-08 17:16 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 09:23 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 16:31 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: mhx@iae.nl - 2017-05-08 11:14 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-08 19:27 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-09 16:39 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-09 14:53 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 20:43 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-08 15:02 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-09 12:24 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-07 23:34 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 01:17 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-08 12:30 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 07:49 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-08 10:58 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 11:44 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:04 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-08 17:30 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 04:07 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 14:11 +0300
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 13:59 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 14:04 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 14:06 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 13:02 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: pahihu <pahihu@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 06:07 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 14:30 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 11:59 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 15:10 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 14:33 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 16:08 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-05-10 16:02 +0100
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 09:10 -0700
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2017-05-10 18:38 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-08 04:03 -0500
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-08 13:32 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2017-05-08 16:11 +0200
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2017-05-04 20:29 +0000
                Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-07 14:55 +0000
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-05-02 02:47 -0500
              Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-02 15:02 +0000
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 12:11 +0100
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-04-30 06:34 -0700
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 06:59 -0700
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 15:04 +0100
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 09:38 -0700
  Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 09:36 +0000
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 11:46 +0100
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 14:12 +0000
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-30 16:39 +0100
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 09:25 -0700
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-30 16:23 +0000
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 09:06 -0700
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-30 18:00 +0100
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-01 01:30 -0700
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-02 13:06 +0000
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: minforth@arcor.de - 2017-05-02 06:24 -0700
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 13:13 +0000
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2017-05-03 04:20 -0700
            Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-04 15:17 +0000
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-05-02 12:46 +0000
        Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 07:58 +0100
          Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: mhx@iae.nl - 2017-05-03 10:52 -0700
  Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-04-30 08:51 -0700
  Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-04-30 22:54 +0000
    Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 01:01 -0700
      Re: Recognizers and DT-TOKEN: Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2017-05-02 15:10 +0000

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