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Re: things i would ban from clc

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Don Y <this@isnotme.com> writes:

> On 3/13/2012 11:07 AM, Ben Pfaff wrote:
>> Don Y<this@isnotme.com>  writes:
>>
>>> On 3/13/2012 5:59 AM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>> Don Y<this@isnotme.com>   writes:
>>>>> Why not support for *tasking* -- native to the language
>>>>> (instead of in a library!) like Limbo?
>>>>
>>>> The 2011 ISO C standard includes (optional) support for threading.
>>>>
>>>> See<http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1570.pdf>
>>>> section 7.26.
>>>
>>> OK.  But that's just another standard library.  The language
>>> itself doesn't include those provisions.
>>
>> What's the advantage of putting threading into language instead
>> of the library?  (You explained *how* Limbo integrates threading
>> into the language, but not why it does.)
>
> It elevates threads to first-class objects.  It recognizes
> that programs are more "collections of threads" than "monolithic,
> single-threaded processes" that have to *struggle* to
> CO-operate.

That is a nice statement of principles, but it's hard for me to
imagine what practical effect it would have on threaded C
programs.  Do you have an example to propose?

> Moving things into the language also changes who is
> responsible for the implementation and performance of
> the feature.  In Limbo, the "compiler"/runtime VM handle
> ALL of the mechanisms associated with these features.
> it means that those features are accessible to your
> code on any platform that can support Limbo programs.
> (double edged sword... if you don't like how they do
> it, you can't just swap out that aspect like you can with
> a separate library).

Threading is intentionally an optional feature for C
implementations, because C is supposed to work on platforms that
do not or cannot support threads.
-- 
char a[]="\n .CJacehknorstu";int putchar(int);int main(void){unsigned long b[]
={0x67dffdff,0x9aa9aa6a,0xa77ffda9,0x7da6aa6a,0xa67f6aaa,0xaa9aa9f6,0x11f6},*p
=b,i=24;for(;p+=!*p;*p/=4)switch(0[p]&3)case 0:{return 0;for(p--;i--;i--)case+
2:{i++;if(i)break;else default:continue;if(0)case 1:putchar(a[i&15]);break;}}}

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things i would ban from clc jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-03-11 23:05 +0000
  Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-12 10:33 -0700
    Re: things i would ban from clc gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-03-12 23:57 +0000
  Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-12 18:44 +0100
    Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 12:26 -0700
      Re: things i would ban from clc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2012-03-12 14:36 -0600
        Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 13:57 -0700
      Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-12 17:34 -0400
        Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 15:00 -0700
          Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-12 18:21 -0400
            Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 15:43 -0700
              Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-12 23:53 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 17:17 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 09:09 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 01:24 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-13 05:59 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 10:55 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2012-03-13 11:07 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 11:25 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2012-03-13 11:32 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-13 12:18 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:13 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 13:49 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 17:14 -0400
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 14:35 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 18:09 -0400
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:06 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 08:18 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 10:07 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 12:41 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 21:53 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 14:16 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-18 07:14 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-14 10:39 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-03-13 14:33 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 14:40 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-13 16:25 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 00:51 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-14 14:25 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 13:40 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-18 17:05 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-23 11:59 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-23 17:02 -0500
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-23 16:51 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-24 07:16 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-27 11:26 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-23 19:43 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 19:45 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-23 23:49 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 11:54 +1300
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-24 09:26 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-26 07:31 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-24 05:45 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-24 09:31 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 14:34 -0400
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-13 16:18 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 08:18 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-14 14:06 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-03-15 15:22 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 12:26 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-15 21:28 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 13:49 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-15 16:36 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 12:16 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-16 00:13 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 20:40 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 01:52 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-13 11:31 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 11:41 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 06:06 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 15:06 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 07:46 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 19:08 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-13 13:20 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-13 20:41 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-13 19:34 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:14 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-13 23:28 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 21:18 -0700
      Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-13 20:19 +1300
        Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 01:09 -0700
          Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-13 21:32 +1300
  Re: things i would ban from clc nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-03-13 01:52 -0700
    Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-13 11:31 +0100
      Re: things i would ban from clc nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-03-14 01:18 -0700
        Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 12:09 -0700
  Re: things i would ban from clc ArifulHossain tuhin <etothepowerpi@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 13:01 -0700

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