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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: things i would ban from clc |
| Date | 2012-03-13 18:09 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <4F5FC58A.9040909@verizon.net> (permalink) |
| References | (14 earlier) <jjo3e8$ovm$1@speranza.aioe.org> <87vcm8tkpy.fsf@blp.benpfaff.org> <jjobtc$gbj$1@speranza.aioe.org> <4F5FB8C6.6030308@verizon.net> <jjoeic$nvu$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
On 03/13/2012 05:35 PM, Don Y wrote: > Hi James, > > On 3/13/2012 2:14 PM, James Kuyper wrote: >> On 03/13/2012 04:49 PM, Don Y wrote: > >>>>>> What's the advantage of putting threading into language instead >>>>>> of the library? (You explained *how* Limbo integrates threading >>>>>> into the language, but not why it does.) >>>>> >>>>> It elevates threads to first-class objects. It recognizes >>>>> that programs are more "collections of threads" than "monolithic, >>>>> single-threaded processes" that have to *struggle* to >>>>> CO-operate. >>>> >>>> That is a nice statement of principles, but it's hard for me to >>>> imagine what practical effect it would have on threaded C >>>> programs. Do you have an example to propose? >>> >>> See below. >> >> It would have been more helpful if your example had involved, as >> specified, a "threaded C program". > > That's left as an exercise for one of the language lawyers! :> That requires us to be able to correctly interpret Limbo code. You know Limbo, I don't, and I suspect that such ignorance is fairly common here. It should be incumbent on you, not us, to provide a translation. Even if I were familiar with Limbo, I'm not competent to provide a counter-example, and never claimed to be. I've written highly parallel code - a quarter century ago, using a non-conforming C compiler, a highly idiosyncratic operating system, and a concept that I no longer remember the name of that was significantly different from the concept of threads. I've written ordinary POSIX threaded code - but that was just for fun, about two decades ago, and I never even got it running, because I had more urgent work that I was actually being paid to do. I've only just started familiarizing myself with C2011 threads; I'm not ready to write anything using them. As the complainant, you should be competent to provide an example of the problem you're complaining about - without such expertise the problem could just be due to your lack of familiarity with the system. Not many people are C2011 threading experts yet; I'd happily accept as relevant an example using any other well-known threading system with a C interface, such as POSIX threads. As I indicated above, I wouldn't be competent to judge your example, but other people on this forum would be; presumably including Ben Pfaff.
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things i would ban from clc jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-03-11 23:05 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-12 10:33 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-03-12 23:57 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-12 18:44 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 12:26 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2012-03-12 14:36 -0600
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 13:57 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-12 17:34 -0400
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 15:00 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-12 18:21 -0400
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 15:43 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-12 23:53 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 17:17 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 09:09 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 01:24 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-13 05:59 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 10:55 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2012-03-13 11:07 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 11:25 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2012-03-13 11:32 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-13 12:18 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:13 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 13:49 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 17:14 -0400
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 14:35 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 18:09 -0400
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:06 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 08:18 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 10:07 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 12:41 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 21:53 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 14:16 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-18 07:14 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-14 10:39 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-03-13 14:33 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 14:40 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-13 16:25 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 00:51 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-14 14:25 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 13:40 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-18 17:05 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-23 11:59 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-23 17:02 -0500
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-23 16:51 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-24 07:16 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-27 11:26 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-23 19:43 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 19:45 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-23 23:49 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 11:54 +1300
Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-24 09:26 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-26 07:31 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-24 05:45 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-24 09:31 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 14:34 -0400
Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-13 16:18 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 08:18 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-14 14:06 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-03-15 15:22 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 12:26 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-15 21:28 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 13:49 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-15 16:36 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 12:16 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-16 00:13 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 20:40 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 01:52 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-13 11:31 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 11:41 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 06:06 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 15:06 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 07:46 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 19:08 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-13 13:20 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-13 20:41 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-13 19:34 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:14 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-13 23:28 +0000
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 21:18 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-13 20:19 +1300
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 01:09 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-13 21:32 +1300
Re: things i would ban from clc nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-03-13 01:52 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-13 11:31 +0100
Re: things i would ban from clc nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-03-14 01:18 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 12:09 -0700
Re: things i would ban from clc ArifulHossain tuhin <etothepowerpi@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 13:01 -0700
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