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Re: things i would ban from clc

From James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: things i would ban from clc
Date 2012-03-12 17:34 -0400
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On 03/12/2012 03:26 PM, Don Y wrote:
> Hi Jacob,
> 
> On 3/12/2012 10:44 AM, jacob navia wrote:
...
>> At the same time, thompson and the others shun REAL discussions about
>> REAL progress that can be done to improve the language.

That's just how jacob perceives it when someone disagrees with him about
whether or not one of his proposals counts as "progress" or an
"improvement". He only wants to discuss how his proposals should be
implemented. Any disagreement with the fundamental concept of his
proposals is treated as a personal attack; which tends to discourage
those who would otherwise be willing to engage in a "REAL" discussion of
why they think the proposals should not be implemented.

>> In all my discussions about the C containers library thompson and the
>> other "clc regulars" were conspicuously ABSENT. Technically they have
>> absolutely NOTHING to say.
...
> And, I don't see the "containers" thread you mentioned
> (possibly old or something I marked as "read" without
> having actually *read* it).

Google for clc and comp.std.c messages with "containers" in the
Subject:; most of the messages after 2009 are part of the discussion
he's referring to. As you'll see, a fair number of the messages are from
Keith Thompson, though I agree that he's far from being the most active
participant.

That none of the more active participants in that discussion counts as a
"clc regular" in jacob's eyes surprises me, but then the definition of
that term has always been rather peculiar. The term is used, and
therefore defined, almost exclusively by people who don't consider
themselves a member of the group it describes - even though many of
those people are among the ones who post to clc most regularly.
Therefore, it certainly doesn't mean "people who post to clc regularly".

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things i would ban from clc jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2012-03-11 23:05 +0000
  Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-12 10:33 -0700
    Re: things i would ban from clc gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-03-12 23:57 +0000
  Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-12 18:44 +0100
    Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 12:26 -0700
      Re: things i would ban from clc "osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2012-03-12 14:36 -0600
        Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 13:57 -0700
      Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-12 17:34 -0400
        Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 15:00 -0700
          Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-12 18:21 -0400
            Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 15:43 -0700
              Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-12 23:53 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-12 17:17 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 09:09 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 01:24 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-13 05:59 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 10:55 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2012-03-13 11:07 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 11:25 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2012-03-13 11:32 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-03-13 12:18 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:13 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 13:49 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 17:14 -0400
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 14:35 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 18:09 -0400
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:06 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 08:18 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 10:07 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 12:41 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 21:53 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 14:16 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-18 07:14 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-14 10:39 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2012-03-13 14:33 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 14:40 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-13 16:25 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 00:51 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-14 14:25 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 13:40 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-18 17:05 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-23 11:59 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-23 17:02 -0500
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-23 16:51 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-24 07:16 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-27 11:26 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-23 19:43 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 19:45 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-23 23:49 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-24 11:54 +1300
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-24 09:26 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-26 07:31 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-24 05:45 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-24 09:31 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-03-13 14:34 -0400
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-13 16:18 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-14 08:18 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-03-14 14:06 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-03-15 15:22 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 12:26 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-15 21:28 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 13:49 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-15 16:36 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 12:16 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-16 00:13 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-15 20:40 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 01:52 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-13 11:31 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 11:41 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 06:06 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 15:06 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 07:46 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-03-13 19:08 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-03-13 13:20 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-03-13 20:41 +0100
                Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-13 19:34 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 16:14 -0700
                Re: things i would ban from clc Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-03-13 23:28 +0000
                Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 21:18 -0700
      Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-13 20:19 +1300
        Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-13 01:09 -0700
          Re: things i would ban from clc Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-13 21:32 +1300
  Re: things i would ban from clc nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-03-13 01:52 -0700
    Re: things i would ban from clc "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-03-13 11:31 +0100
      Re: things i would ban from clc nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-03-14 01:18 -0700
        Re: things i would ban from clc Don Y <this@isnotme.com> - 2012-03-14 12:09 -0700
  Re: things i would ban from clc ArifulHossain tuhin <etothepowerpi@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 13:01 -0700

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