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| Started by | David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-12-26 12:18 -0800 |
| Last post | 2015-12-28 20:10 +1100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 164 — 34 participants |
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White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 12:18 -0800
Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-26 15:46 -0500
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-26 17:58 -0330
Re: White Privilege Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2345@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 14:12 -0800
Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:50 -0800
Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:48 -0800
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-27 06:58 -0330
Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-27 08:46 -0500
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 08:32 -0800
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 08:49 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 10:40 -0800
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 10:57 -0800
Re: White Privilege Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2015-12-27 20:20 -0500
Re: White Privilege spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com - 2015-12-27 12:16 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:19 -0800
Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 21:49 +0000
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 14:06 -0800
Re: White Privilege James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@gOUTmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:15 +0100
Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:20 +0000
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 20:34 -0800
Re: White Privilege Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:27 +0000
Re: White Privilege richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2015-12-28 19:29 +0000
Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 22:15 +0000
Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:26 +0000
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 20:06 -0500
Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2015-12-28 01:34 +0000
Re: White Privilege John Dawkins <artfldodgr@aol.com> - 2015-12-28 10:26 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 20:40 -0800
Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 01:54 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 04:18 -0800
Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 09:05 -0500
Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 11:59 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 11:39 -0800
Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-28 15:42 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 13:23 -0800
Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-28 09:27 +0000
Re: White Privilege Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:30 +0000
Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:44 -0500
Re: White Privilege James Hogg <Jas.Hogg@gOUTmail.com> - 2015-12-27 23:15 +0100
Re: White Privilege charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-27 22:22 +0000
Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 13:57 +0000
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 09:23 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:37 -0500
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 15:12 -0800
Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:38 +1100
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:53 -0700
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 06:41 -0800
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 09:52 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 08:38 -0800
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 13:26 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-28 22:19 +0000
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 17:47 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 19:58 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-27 22:26 +0000
Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:23 +1100
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 08:45 -0330
Re: White Privilege HVS <usenet@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2015-12-28 14:31 +0000
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 11:53 -0330
Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 10:18 -0800
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 15:52 -0330
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2015-12-28 14:54 -0500
Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 14:14 -0800
Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:24 -0800
Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 09:38 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-31 11:16 -0800
Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 12:31 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2016-01-01 06:03 -0800
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 09:12 -0500
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-04 07:26 -0800
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2015-12-28 15:09 -0500
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 16:55 -0330
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 12:56 -0500
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 14:07 -0700
Re: White Privilege Mike Barnes <mikebarnes333@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 22:07 +0000
Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-04 21:57 +0000
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-05 01:24 +0000
Re: White Privilege Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2016-01-04 21:14 -0500
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 15:59 -0700
Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-28 18:20 -0600
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 19:45 -0500
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 17:53 -0700
Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-28 22:53 -0600
Re: White Privilege Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2015-12-28 21:08 -0800
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:54 -0700
Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 06:23 -0600
Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 11:51 +1100
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 18:58 -0700
Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 22:19 -0600
Re: White Privilege bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-12-29 21:04 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-30 07:01 -0800
Re: White Privilege Horace LaBadie <hlabadie@nospam.com> - 2015-12-30 11:47 -0500
Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:30 -0800
Re: White Privilege Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-12-31 01:37 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 20:02 -0800
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:55 -0700
Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-29 11:08 +0100
Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:57 +1100
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 08:44 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 18:09 -0800
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 20:50 -0700
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 20:44 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-29 06:49 -0800
Re: White Privilege rcpj@panix.com (Pierre Jelenc) - 2015-12-29 17:18 +0000
Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:48 +1100
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:57 -0700
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 08:42 -0330
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 12:56 -0500
Re: White Privilege Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> - 2016-01-04 18:38 +0000
Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 12:03 -0800
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:03 -0500
Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 16:11 -0800
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-04 17:36 -0500
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-04 19:14 -0330
Re: White Privilege richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2016-01-04 22:52 +0000
Re: White Privilege wollman@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) - 2016-01-05 01:34 +0000
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-04 19:55 -0700
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-05 06:24 -0330
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2016-01-05 15:20 +1100
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2016-01-04 19:02 -0330
Re: White Privilege Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 18:49 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2016-01-05 12:02 +0000
Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 06:24 -0600
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 06:01 -0700
Re: White Privilege msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) - 2015-12-29 22:15 -0600
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 08:30 -0800
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 12:28 -0500
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 14:11 -0330
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-29 10:29 -0800
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 16:16 -0330
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 16:20 -0330
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-29 14:05 -0700
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-29 17:58 -0330
Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:25 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 17:58 -0800
Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-30 10:27 +0100
Re: White Privilege Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2015-12-30 01:57 -0800
Re: White Privilege Jack Campin <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 10:04 +0000
Re: White Privilege HVS <usenet@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2015-12-30 12:01 +0000
Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 11:57 +1100
Re: White Privilege Will Parsons <varro@nodomain.invalid> - 2015-12-30 01:24 +0000
Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:32 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-28 04:20 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Don Phillipson" <e925@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> - 2015-12-27 14:08 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:23 -0800
Re: White Privilege Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 16:49 -0500
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 14:07 -0800
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-27 19:08 -0700
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 19:14 -0800
Re: White Privilege Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-27 19:19 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 11:25 -0800
Re: White Privilege "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-27 13:27 -0800
Re: White Privilege Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 23:37 -0800
Re: White Privilege RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2016-01-06 03:15 -0700
Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 21:16 -0800
Re: White Privilege bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2016-01-06 22:51 -0800
Re: White Privilege Helen Lacedaemonian <helenofsunnyvale@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:19 -0800
Re: White Privilege Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-27 17:26 -0330
Re: White Privilege David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 10:36 -0800
Re: White Privilege Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2015-12-28 10:12 +0100
Re: White Privilege Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:10 +1100
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 15:20 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <n6fg69$bmp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #579140 |
On 2016-Jan-05 05:38, Will Parsons wrote: > On Monday, 4 Jan 2016 12:56 PM -0500, Oliver Cromm wrote: >> * Cheryl: >> >>> One of my aunts, always called Maise, was baptized Mary Marguerite (her >>> mother had a good friend named Marguerite). At the time, Vital >>> Statistics people recorded births by transcribing baptismal records, and >>> whoever did hers read the handwritten name as the much more common Mary >>> Margaret. Aunt Maise eventually got the mistake corrected - it was >>> surprisingly easy; I helped her as she had left the province decades >>> earlier and I was on the spot. It would probably be much more difficult >>> today. >> >> Since I've been watching Once Upon A Time, I was wondering about >> the combination Mary Margaret. It's one of the main characters in >> the series, and nobody calls her just one of the two names, they >> always go together, even though there's no official hyphen. >> >> Why does this seem to be such a fixed combination? I can't find a >> historical model like a saint. > > Not only this, but other combinations with "Mary" - "Mary Anne", "Mary > Elizabeth", "Mary Louise", &c. My theory is that "Mary" alone has > become to be felt too plain to be used on its own, but it better > filled out with another name. At my primary school, every one of the teachers was called Sister Mary Something. My father, claiming that he could not remember their names, used to say "I just call them all Mary". -- Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW, Australia
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| From | Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 19:02 -0330 |
| Message-ID | <df0a8pF8rojU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #579131 |
On 2016-01-04 2:26 PM, Oliver Cromm wrote: > * Cheryl: > >> One of my aunts, always called Maise, was baptized Mary Marguerite (her >> mother had a good friend named Marguerite). At the time, Vital >> Statistics people recorded births by transcribing baptismal records, and >> whoever did hers read the handwritten name as the much more common Mary >> Margaret. Aunt Maise eventually got the mistake corrected - it was >> surprisingly easy; I helped her as she had left the province decades >> earlier and I was on the spot. It would probably be much more difficult >> today. > > Since I've been watching Once Upon A Time, I was wondering about > the combination Mary Margaret. It's one of the main characters in > the series, and nobody calls her just one of the two names, they > always go together, even though there's no official hyphen. > > Why does this seem to be such a fixed combination? I can't find a > historical model like a saint. > > My grandmother's name was Martha Margarete, but she only used the > second one. Only a few close relatives called her "Gretel". > I don't know why it was so common - they're both saint's names, and in spite of my Protestant aunt almost being given the name, the combination is one I tend to think of as a typically Catholic name - two saints, Mary (probably the Virgin Mary, since someone named after Mary Magdalen wouldn't have had the 'Margaret' attached in place of 'Magdalen'; or 'Madeleine') and Margaret. There used to be a lot more combined, but not hyphenated, girls' names, usually involving Mary, but they're not so common these days. I do know one young woman - I doubt she's 30 yet - who is always called 'Mary Ann', no hyphen, no adaptation such as 'Marian'. -- Cheryl --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Oliver Cromm <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 13:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1ob1oloiylvub.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info> |
| In reply to | #579210 |
* Cheryl: > On 2016-01-04 2:26 PM, Oliver Cromm wrote: >> * Cheryl: >> >>> One of my aunts, always called Maise, was baptized Mary Marguerite (her >>> mother had a good friend named Marguerite). At the time, Vital >>> Statistics people recorded births by transcribing baptismal records, and >>> whoever did hers read the handwritten name as the much more common Mary >>> Margaret. Aunt Maise eventually got the mistake corrected - it was >>> surprisingly easy; I helped her as she had left the province decades >>> earlier and I was on the spot. It would probably be much more difficult >>> today. >> >> Since I've been watching Once Upon A Time, I was wondering about >> the combination Mary Margaret. It's one of the main characters in >> the series, and nobody calls her just one of the two names, they >> always go together, even though there's no official hyphen. >> >> Why does this seem to be such a fixed combination? I can't find a >> historical model like a saint. >> >> My grandmother's name was Martha Margarete, but she only used the >> second one. Only a few close relatives called her "Gretel". >> > I don't know why it was so common - they're both saint's names, and in > spite of my Protestant aunt almost being given the name, the combination > is one I tend to think of as a typically Catholic name - two saints, > Mary (probably the Virgin Mary, since someone named after Mary Magdalen > wouldn't have had the 'Margaret' attached in place of 'Magdalen'; or > 'Madeleine') and Margaret. There used to be a lot more combined, but not > hyphenated, girls' names, usually involving Mary, but they're not so > common these days. I do know one young woman - I doubt she's 30 yet - > who is always called 'Mary Ann', no hyphen, no adaptation such as 'Marian'. That brings to mind 5th grade, when our teacher noticed that we had two girls named Nicola. "Oh, but you are Nicola-Maria!", to which the other said "I'm Nicola Maria, too, just not with a hyphen". So they became (not to the teacher, but to the rest of the class) "Nicola with" and "Nicola without". -- Manche Dinge sind vorgeschrieben, weil man sie braucht, andere braucht man nur, weil sie vorgeschrieben sind. -- Helmut Richter in de.etc.sprache.deutsch
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| From | "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-04 18:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0f096eca-b8d7-442b-a515-6a7068e45b05@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579131 |
On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 9:56:26 AM UTC-8, Oliver Cromm wrote: > * Cheryl: > > > One of my aunts, always called Maise, was baptized Mary Marguerite (her > > mother had a good friend named Marguerite). At the time, Vital > > Statistics people recorded births by transcribing baptismal records, and > > whoever did hers read the handwritten name as the much more common Mary > > Margaret. Aunt Maise eventually got the mistake corrected - it was > > surprisingly easy; I helped her as she had left the province decades > > earlier and I was on the spot. It would probably be much more difficult > > today. > > Since I've been watching Once Upon A Time, I was wondering about > the combination Mary Margaret. It's one of the main characters in > the series, and nobody calls her just one of the two names, they > always go together, even though there's no official hyphen. > > Why does this seem to be such a fixed combination? I can't find a > historical model like a saint. > > My grandmother's name was Martha Margarete, but she only used the > second one. Only a few close relatives called her "Gretel". Gretel is derived from Margaret? Is Greta also? Dr. HotSalt
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| From | "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 12:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bvbn8b5chlv1jdt1sfh20ggh76sfk51bui@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #579275 |
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 18:49:55 -0800 (PST), "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> wrote: >On Monday, January 4, 2016 at 9:56:26 AM UTC-8, Oliver Cromm wrote: >> * Cheryl: >> >> > One of my aunts, always called Maise, was baptized Mary Marguerite (her >> > mother had a good friend named Marguerite). At the time, Vital >> > Statistics people recorded births by transcribing baptismal records, and >> > whoever did hers read the handwritten name as the much more common Mary >> > Margaret. Aunt Maise eventually got the mistake corrected - it was >> > surprisingly easy; I helped her as she had left the province decades >> > earlier and I was on the spot. It would probably be much more difficult >> > today. >> >> Since I've been watching Once Upon A Time, I was wondering about >> the combination Mary Margaret. It's one of the main characters in >> the series, and nobody calls her just one of the two names, they >> always go together, even though there's no official hyphen. >> >> Why does this seem to be such a fixed combination? I can't find a >> historical model like a saint. >> >> My grandmother's name was Martha Margarete, but she only used the >> second one. Only a few close relatives called her "Gretel". > > Gretel is derived from Margaret? Is Greta also? I don't know which were derived from which but this lists "Alternate forms of Margaret, including short forms and pet names" (including Greta and Gretel): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret#Variant_forms -- Peter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english)
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| From | msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 06:24 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <B_GdnSJT1OMb5h_LnZ2dnUU7-dWdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #577830 |
R.H. Draney: > My mother always said that if he'd been born a girl he would have been > named "Linda"...instead, when he was old enough, he went off and > *married* a Linda.... > > Twice... What, the same one? -- Mark Brader | "Of course, the most important part of making the Toronto | proposal something special for both of you is msb@vex.net | addressing it to the right person." --Mara Chibnik
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| From | RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 06:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5u06k0dss@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #577869 |
On 12/29/2015 5:24 AM, Mark Brader wrote: > R.H. Draney: >> My mother always said that if he'd been born a girl he would have been >> named "Linda"...instead, when he was old enough, he went off and >> *married* a Linda.... >> >> Twice... > > What, the same one? Yes.... After divorcing her, he discovered that being the non-custodial parent gave him a lot less input into how his children were being brought up than he liked...so he arranged to "reconcile" and get back into the household....r
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| From | msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 22:15 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <f4KdnRm3N-7uxx7LnZ2dnUU7-fmdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #577876 |
R.H. Draney: >>> My mother always said that if he'd been born a girl he would have been >>> named "Linda"...instead, when he was old enough, he went off and >>> *married* a Linda.... >>> >>> Twice... Mark Brader: >> What, the same one? R.H. Draney: > Yes.... Huh! Thanks for explaining. -- Mark Brader | "I noted with some interest that Fahrenheit was Toronto | also used in the weather forecast, but there the msb@vex.net | gas marks were missing." -- Ivan A. Derzhanski
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| From | Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 08:30 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <913bfd53-ef67-45e5-8a56-9062a8a1c525@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #577830 |
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:57:59 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote: > On 12/28/2015 9:48 PM, Peter Moylan wrote: > > On 2015-Dec-29 01:31, HVS wrote: > > > >> My parents mentioned one time that if I'd been a girl, they would probably > >> have christened me "Penelope" in order to call me "Penny". I don't think the > >> idea of christening the child "Penny" would ever have occurred to them. > > > > My parents were strongly against shortening names, and I suppose I've > > inherited that. ... Why did they think that? Was it vulgar or something? Or maybe they'd inherited it too, and the original reason is lost in the mists of genealogy? [brother] > My mother always said that if he'd been born a girl he would have been > named "Linda"... ... Why would she say that, especially often enough for you to say "always"? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, just that I can't imagine why the subject would come up. I think somebody else mentioned the same thing recently. -- Jerry Friedman
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| From | Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 12:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <v6g58b9fiese54bvu3kpvve3sne06sh5b1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #577913 |
On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:30:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:57:59 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote: >> On 12/28/2015 9:48 PM, Peter Moylan wrote: >> > On 2015-Dec-29 01:31, HVS wrote: >> > >> >> My parents mentioned one time that if I'd been a girl, they would probably >> >> have christened me "Penelope" in order to call me "Penny". I don't think the >> >> idea of christening the child "Penny" would ever have occurred to them. >> > >> > My parents were strongly against shortening names, and I suppose I've >> > inherited that. >... > >Why did they think that? Was it vulgar or something? Or maybe they'd >inherited it too, and the original reason is lost in the mists of >genealogy? My parents felt the same, but didn't carry it too far. They felt that my brother and I were given names, and that's what we should be called. When I started calling myself "Tony" instead of "Anthony", my parents never joined in the changed. When I'd receive a call from my father at the office, he'd ask for "Anthony". New employees had to be informed that this was me else they would ask "Anthony who?" and aggravate my father. Aggravation wasn't to be avoided, though. My father never accepted that I could be on with a caller more important than him and that he should be put on hold. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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| From | Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 14:11 -0330 |
| Message-ID | <defutpF3nntU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #577922 |
On 2015-12-29 1:58 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:30:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman > <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:57:59 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote: >>> On 12/28/2015 9:48 PM, Peter Moylan wrote: >>>> On 2015-Dec-29 01:31, HVS wrote: >>>> >>>>> My parents mentioned one time that if I'd been a girl, they would probably >>>>> have christened me "Penelope" in order to call me "Penny". I don't think the >>>>> idea of christening the child "Penny" would ever have occurred to them. >>>> >>>> My parents were strongly against shortening names, and I suppose I've >>>> inherited that. >> ... >> >> Why did they think that? Was it vulgar or something? Or maybe they'd >> inherited it too, and the original reason is lost in the mists of >> genealogy? > > My parents felt the same, but didn't carry it too far. They felt that > my brother and I were given names, and that's what we should be > called. When I started calling myself "Tony" instead of "Anthony", my > parents never joined in the changed. > > When I'd receive a call from my father at the office, he'd ask for > "Anthony". New employees had to be informed that this was me else > they would ask "Anthony who?" and aggravate my father. > > Aggravation wasn't to be avoided, though. My father never accepted > that I could be on with a caller more important than him and that he > should be put on hold. I think my mother didn't think that people should change the carefully-chosen name of the child, and also in some cases disliked the popular nicknames for names she might otherwise have chosen. This is a little odd in one respect, since there had been a famous family dispute over my mother's name when one parent insisted on calling her by the name he preferred (I think it came from his side of the family) until she was four or five, while everyone else called her by her middle name. That dispute didn't involve nicknames, although it did involve parental choice. When their third child was due, my parents suggested that my sister and I suggest possible names, none of which, incidentally, they chose. We had a rather youthful and bizarre taste in names. When I came up with a normal one (Theresa), my mother dismissed it on the grounds that it was often mispronounced (as 'Treesa') and quite often turned into nicknames she disliked. -- Cheryl --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 10:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3fae9578-2435-4300-be55-9cfc82886e69@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #577923 |
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:41:18 PM UTC-5, Cheryl P wrote: > On 2015-12-29 1:58 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:30:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman > > <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:57:59 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote: > >>> On 12/28/2015 9:48 PM, Peter Moylan wrote: > >>>> On 2015-Dec-29 01:31, HVS wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> My parents mentioned one time that if I'd been a girl, they would probably > >>>>> have christened me "Penelope" in order to call me "Penny". I don't think the > >>>>> idea of christening the child "Penny" would ever have occurred to them. > >>>> > >>>> My parents were strongly against shortening names, and I suppose I've > >>>> inherited that. > >> ... > >> > >> Why did they think that? Was it vulgar or something? Or maybe they'd > >> inherited it too, and the original reason is lost in the mists of > >> genealogy? > > > > My parents felt the same, but didn't carry it too far. They felt that > > my brother and I were given names, and that's what we should be > > called. When I started calling myself "Tony" instead of "Anthony", my > > parents never joined in the changed. > > > > When I'd receive a call from my father at the office, he'd ask for > > "Anthony". New employees had to be informed that this was me else > > they would ask "Anthony who?" and aggravate my father. > > > > Aggravation wasn't to be avoided, though. My father never accepted > > that I could be on with a caller more important than him and that he > > should be put on hold. > > I think my mother didn't think that people should change the > carefully-chosen name of the child, and also in some cases disliked the > popular nicknames for names she might otherwise have chosen. Apparently there was no possibility that she would give a child a name because she liked the nickname. For instance, I was named Gerald because my parents had decided on "Jerry". > This is a > little odd in one respect, since there had been a famous family dispute > over my mother's name when one parent insisted on calling her by the > name he preferred (I think it came from his side of the family) I could hazard a guess at which parent that was. > until > she was four or five, while everyone else called her by her middle name. > That dispute didn't involve nicknames, although it did involve parental > choice. > > When their third child was due, my parents suggested that my sister and > I suggest possible names, none of which, incidentally, they chose. We > had a rather youthful and bizarre taste in names. When I came up with a > normal one (Theresa), my mother dismissed it on the grounds that it was > often mispronounced (as 'Treesa') and quite often turned into nicknames > she disliked. In one of the early episodes of /Inspector Morse/ (see other thread), there's a character named Cheryl, pronounced with Ch as is "cherry". Maybe your mother didn't know that more than one pronunciation was possible. I certainly didn't. -- Jerry Friedman
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| From | Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 16:16 -0330 |
| Message-ID | <deg68eF5kaeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #577930 |
On 2015-12-29 2:59 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote: > > In one of the early episodes of /Inspector Morse/ (see other thread), > there's a character named Cheryl, pronounced with Ch as is "cherry". > Maybe your mother didn't know that more than one pronunciation was > possible. I certainly didn't. > I'm sure she didn't. I didn't know about the UK pronunciation until I was well into adulthood, and when I first heard it, I thought it was a mistake by someone who wasn't familiar with the name. -- Cheryl --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 16:20 -0330 |
| Message-ID | <deg6fjF5n2dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #577930 |
On 2015-12-29 2:59 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote: > On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:41:18 PM UTC-5, Cheryl P wrote: >> I think my mother didn't think that people should change the >> carefully-chosen name of the child, and also in some cases disliked the >> popular nicknames for names she might otherwise have chosen. > > Apparently there was no possibility that she would give a child a > name because she liked the nickname. For instance, I was named Gerald > because my parents had decided on "Jerry". Forgot to answer this. No, I think she generally disliked nicknames, although many people seemed to follow the same process your parents did. (One Jerry I knew got some amusement at the general assumption that he was a Gerald, which is quite a popular name here. He's a Jeremiah.) My mother didn't even call any of her daughters after her adored grandmother Lucy because she considered 'Lucy' a nickname and disliked it. She found out later that Lucy's official name was Lucinda, which would have been acceptable. My own grandmother, Jessie (not officially Jessica), disliked her name so much she wouldn't have any of her descendants given the name. -- Cheryl --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 14:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n5uslg01aee@news6.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #577946 |
On 12/29/2015 12:50 PM, Cheryl wrote: > > My mother didn't even call any of her daughters after her adored > grandmother Lucy because she considered 'Lucy' a nickname and disliked > it. She found out later that Lucy's official name was Lucinda, which > would have been acceptable. My own grandmother, Jessie (not officially > Jessica), disliked her name so much she wouldn't have any of her > descendants given the name. My maternal grandmother's given names were "Mildred Beatrice Imogene" (/bi'&trIs/ and /'aIm@gi:n/, just to keep things interesting)...while she never denied the name, she was always called "Micky".... Her mother's full name at birth was "Allie M Robertson"...Allie wasn't short for Allison or anything else, and she'd never tell anyone what the M stood for, except that it damn sure wasn't "Matilda" (*her* mother's middle name)....r
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| From | Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 17:58 -0330 |
| Message-ID | <degc7cF76v2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #577962 |
On 2015-12-29 5:35 PM, RH Draney wrote: > On 12/29/2015 12:50 PM, Cheryl wrote: >> >> My mother didn't even call any of her daughters after her adored >> grandmother Lucy because she considered 'Lucy' a nickname and disliked >> it. She found out later that Lucy's official name was Lucinda, which >> would have been acceptable. My own grandmother, Jessie (not officially >> Jessica), disliked her name so much she wouldn't have any of her >> descendants given the name. > > My maternal grandmother's given names were "Mildred Beatrice Imogene" > (/bi'&trIs/ and /'aIm@gi:n/, just to keep things interesting)...while > she never denied the name, she was always called "Micky".... > > Her mother's full name at birth was "Allie M Robertson"...Allie wasn't > short for Allison or anything else, and she'd never tell anyone what the > M stood for, except that it damn sure wasn't "Matilda" (*her* mother's > middle name)....r > My other grandmother was named Mildred. She died at about the time my next-youngest sister was born, so she got Mildred as a middle name. She never used it and I don't think she even admits to the middle letter M these days. -- Cheryl --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-05 23:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mn.2d7d7e018b37d078.127094@snitoo> |
| In reply to | #577966 |
Cheryl is guilty of <degc7cF76v2U1@mid.individual.net> as of 12/29/2015 1:28:14 PM > On 2015-12-29 5:35 PM, RH Draney wrote: >> On 12/29/2015 12:50 PM, Cheryl wrote: >>> >>> My mother didn't even call any of her daughters after her adored >>> grandmother Lucy because she considered 'Lucy' a nickname and disliked >>> it. She found out later that Lucy's official name was Lucinda, which >>> would have been acceptable. My own grandmother, Jessie (not officially >>> Jessica), disliked her name so much she wouldn't have any of her >>> descendants given the name. >> >> My maternal grandmother's given names were "Mildred Beatrice Imogene" >> (/bi'&trIs/ and /'aIm@gi:n/, just to keep things interesting)...while >> she never denied the name, she was always called "Micky".... >> >> Her mother's full name at birth was "Allie M Robertson"...Allie wasn't >> short for Allison or anything else, and she'd never tell anyone what the >> M stood for, except that it damn sure wasn't "Matilda" (*her* mother's >> middle name)....r >> > My other grandmother was named Mildred. She died at about the time my > next-youngest sister was born, so she got Mildred as a middle name. She never > used it and I don't think she even admits to the middle letter M these days. I don't know if Ella had a middle name; Babetta had the middle initial E. I visited Babetta twice; as a 5 year-old and a 7 year-old. As of 1966, it was no longer possible to visit her. Visiting Ella was no longer possible before I was born. /dps -- "What do you think of my cart, Miss Morland? A neat one, is not it? Well hung: curricle-hung in fact. Come sit by me and we'll test the springs." (Speculative fiction by H.Lacedaemonian.)
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| From | "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-12-29 17:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <745384ed-9852-43ce-b466-b117a048abf0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #577962 |
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 1:06:05 PM UTC-8, RH Draney wrote: > On 12/29/2015 12:50 PM, Cheryl wrote: > > > > My mother didn't even call any of her daughters after her adored > > grandmother Lucy because she considered 'Lucy' a nickname and disliked > > it. She found out later that Lucy's official name was Lucinda, which > > would have been acceptable. My own grandmother, Jessie (not officially > > Jessica), disliked her name so much she wouldn't have any of her > > descendants given the name. > > My maternal grandmother's given names were "Mildred Beatrice Imogene" > (/bi'&trIs/ and /'aIm@gi:n/, just to keep things interesting)...while > she never denied the name, she was always called "Micky".... The aunt who called me "Markie" was named Regina(/rədʒaɪnʌ/), and she insisted on being called that. So, for me she was Aunt Regina. Mr. Kleinecke's reference to first and last names getting along together euphoniously reminds me: my maternal grandmother was "Ina Edna Huffman", which struck me as a deliberate tongue-twister. She passed when I was seven or so, and I don't recall what adults were allowed to call her- I called her "gramma". Dr. HotSalt
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 10:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dehmbdFgnetU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #577930 |
On 2015-12-29 18:29:24 +0000, Jerry Friedman said: > On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:41:18 PM UTC-5, Cheryl P wrote: >> On 2015-12-29 1:58 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: >>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:30:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman >>> <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:57:59 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote: >>>>> On 12/28/2015 9:48 PM, Peter Moylan wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-Dec-29 01:31, HVS wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My parents mentioned one time that if I'd been a girl, they would probably >>>>>>> have christened me "Penelope" in order to call me "Penny". I don't think the >>>>>>> idea of christening the child "Penny" would ever have occurred to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> My parents were strongly against shortening names, and I suppose I've >>>>>> inherited that. >>>> ... >>>> >>>> Why did they think that? Was it vulgar or something? Or maybe they'd >>>> inherited it too, and the original reason is lost in the mists of >>>> genealogy? >>> >>> My parents felt the same, but didn't carry it too far. They felt that >>> my brother and I were given names, and that's what we should be >>> called. When I started calling myself "Tony" instead of "Anthony", my >>> parents never joined in the changed. >>> >>> When I'd receive a call from my father at the office, he'd ask for >>> "Anthony". New employees had to be informed that this was me else >>> they would ask "Anthony who?" and aggravate my father. >>> >>> Aggravation wasn't to be avoided, though. My father never accepted >>> that I could be on with a caller more important than him and that he >>> should be put on hold. >> >> I think my mother didn't think that people should change the >> carefully-chosen name of the child, and also in some cases disliked the >> popular nicknames for names she might otherwise have chosen. > > Apparently there was no possibility that she would give a child a > name because she liked the nickname. For instance, I was named Gerald > because my parents had decided on "Jerry". > >> This is a >> little odd in one respect, since there had been a famous family dispute >> over my mother's name when one parent insisted on calling her by the >> name he preferred (I think it came from his side of the family) > > I could hazard a guess at which parent that was. > >> until >> she was four or five, while everyone else called her by her middle name. >> That dispute didn't involve nicknames, although it did involve parental >> choice. >> >> When their third child was due, my parents suggested that my sister and >> I suggest possible names, none of which, incidentally, they chose. We >> had a rather youthful and bizarre taste in names. When I came up with a >> normal one (Theresa), my mother dismissed it on the grounds that it was >> often mispronounced (as 'Treesa') and quite often turned into nicknames >> she disliked. > > In one of the early episodes of /Inspector Morse/ (see other thread), > there's a character named Cheryl, pronounced with Ch as is "cherry". Indeed. Even though Cheryl made it clear long ago how her name was pronounced I can't entirely rid myself of thinking of her with the pronunciation like "cherry" with an l added. > Maybe your mother didn't know that more than one pronunciation was > possible. I certainly didn't. -- athel
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| From | Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2015-12-30 01:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6a5f9802-1527-4390-bd32-e932eac4c9e0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #578044 |
On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 10:27:15 PM UTC+13, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > On 2015-12-29 18:29:24 +0000, Jerry Friedman said: > > > On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:41:18 PM UTC-5, Cheryl P wrote: > >> On 2015-12-29 1:58 PM, Tony Cooper wrote: > >>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:30:55 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman > >>> <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:57:59 AM UTC-5, RH Draney wrote: > >>>>> On 12/28/2015 9:48 PM, Peter Moylan wrote: > >>>>>> On 2015-Dec-29 01:31, HVS wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> My parents mentioned one time that if I'd been a girl, they would probably > >>>>>>> have christened me "Penelope" in order to call me "Penny". I don't think the > >>>>>>> idea of christening the child "Penny" would ever have occurred to them. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My parents were strongly against shortening names, and I suppose I've > >>>>>> inherited that. > >>>> ... > >>>> > >>>> Why did they think that? Was it vulgar or something? Or maybe they'd > >>>> inherited it too, and the original reason is lost in the mists of > >>>> genealogy? > >>> > >>> My parents felt the same, but didn't carry it too far. They felt that > >>> my brother and I were given names, and that's what we should be > >>> called. When I started calling myself "Tony" instead of "Anthony", my > >>> parents never joined in the changed. > >>> > >>> When I'd receive a call from my father at the office, he'd ask for > >>> "Anthony". New employees had to be informed that this was me else > >>> they would ask "Anthony who?" and aggravate my father. > >>> > >>> Aggravation wasn't to be avoided, though. My father never accepted > >>> that I could be on with a caller more important than him and that he > >>> should be put on hold. > >> > >> I think my mother didn't think that people should change the > >> carefully-chosen name of the child, and also in some cases disliked the > >> popular nicknames for names she might otherwise have chosen. > > > > Apparently there was no possibility that she would give a child a > > name because she liked the nickname. For instance, I was named Gerald > > because my parents had decided on "Jerry". > > > >> This is a > >> little odd in one respect, since there had been a famous family dispute > >> over my mother's name when one parent insisted on calling her by the > >> name he preferred (I think it came from his side of the family) > > > > I could hazard a guess at which parent that was. > > > >> until > >> she was four or five, while everyone else called her by her middle name. > >> That dispute didn't involve nicknames, although it did involve parental > >> choice. > >> > >> When their third child was due, my parents suggested that my sister and > >> I suggest possible names, none of which, incidentally, they chose. We > >> had a rather youthful and bizarre taste in names. When I came up with a > >> normal one (Theresa), my mother dismissed it on the grounds that it was > >> often mispronounced (as 'Treesa') and quite often turned into nicknames > >> she disliked. > > > > In one of the early episodes of /Inspector Morse/ (see other thread), > > there's a character named Cheryl, pronounced with Ch as is "cherry". > > Indeed. Even though Cheryl made it clear long ago how her name was > pronounced I can't entirely rid myself of thinking of her with the > pronunciation like "cherry" with an l added. > I must have missed that earlier discussion. I definitely think of "Cheryl" as having initial "sh" (growing up in NAmerica),but I know a New Zealand "ch-Cheryl".
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