Re: personal cloud

From	Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Newsgroups	alt.os.linux
Subject	Re: personal cloud
Date	2018-10-12 12:05 +0000
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Soviet_Mario wrote:
> On 12/10/18 12:40, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Soviet_Mario wrote:
>>> On 11/10/18 22:54, William Unruh wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> As with all Linux/Unix tools, you use many small tools to build a big
>>>> system.
>>>
>>> surely true, but a solution not very apt to unskilled person :\
>> 
>> And setting up {own,next}cloud, and keeping up with security, and all
>> that jazz is?
>
> I have not tried yet so I can't tell to which extent this 
> software lets me delegate details ...

"Details" of what?  You (the "unskilled person") still have to set it
up.

>>>> If you want to invite someone, you can always send them and
>>>> email.
>>>
>>> I'd like to share one single link in order for users without
>>> password to be able to just download files (and reserving to
>>> myself the ability to load contents and modify them).
>> 
>> Just run static html then.  Sure, it's not as "pretty", but if it's just
>> to "let the public grab files(tm)", you don't exactly need "pretty".
>> 
>
> independently I was getting to think that what I might also 
> need would be a SELF-HOSTED  FTP service (I don't know any 
> details about this).

FTP would work too, but I find apache easier to setup than vsftpd.

> Provided an abstraction layer, able to translate statical 
> "literal" names (typed urls in nav. bar) into dynamically 
> mutable IP, exist, and that is free of charge.

You just described (dynamic) DNS.  Note that it's not *free* though
(unless you're okay using silly domain names, such as
"soviet-mario.isanerd.net").

But also, $20 for a year isn't exactly expensive.

> [...]
> and if one choosed FTP service, any change in the underlying 
> folder would not be automatically synced for remote users 
> who simply reload the page ?

Remote users would need to refresh the page after you update it.  That
is, if you had a page with

 - file1
 - file2
 - file3

and while I'm looking at the page, you happen to add

 - file4

I won't see "file4" until I refresh the page.

> As long as FTP supports some different restrictions for who 
> are allowed to upload and simply download, and also some 
> restrictions in SCOPE (i.g. sharing just some folders and 
> not necessarily an entire partition).

It does, but it's more geared towards "upload and download" - which is
why I suggested http for the transfers -- that's generally "one way" for
the client (that is, when you go to a website, you can't also upload to
it).

> [...]
> What do you think about FTP ?
> are there ways to restrict browsing areas for unprivileged 
> users ?

FTP would also be usable, but I prefer http for most cases.

>> [...]
>>> * regardless of dynamically assigned IP (real-time syncing
>>> more or less, but better than real-time, automatic
>>> reconnection on IP change if line drops and the provider
>>> reassign a different IP)
>> 
>> Dynamic DNS setup, with auto-updates.  See providers such as dyndns.com,
>> no-ip.com, etc.
>
> but these services, also work with self-hosted servers ?

Of course.  That's kind of their purpose.
>
>> 
>>> * controlling privileges of access on the DATA : myself =
>>> total control, users who just have the shared link, only
>>> download (no change on my storage allowed). I mean, I don't
>>> need sort of GIT or google docs for many authors to modify
>>> shared docs. Just read-only guests.
>> 
>> Again, static html.  Although that is slightly more of a pain for video
>> (but it's not exactly an 'unsolved problem').
>
> mmm ... I'd prefer FTP like service.
> Tell me your opinion about that. It's conceptually similar 
> in the kind of activity it supports.

So then instead of you static html file linking to each thing you want
to share, link to a directory with no "index.html".  Users will see the
directory listing, and be able to select what they want to download.

For example: http://www.djph.net/linuxstuff


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personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-11 17:49 +0200
  Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-11 18:55 +0200
  Re: personal cloud "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-10-11 19:01 +0200
  Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-11 19:36 +0200
    Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-11 19:39 +0200
  Re: personal cloud William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-10-11 18:56 +0000
    Re: personal cloud "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-10-11 21:57 +0200
      Re: personal cloud William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-10-11 20:54 +0000
        Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 11:48 +0200
          Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 10:40 +0000
            Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 13:27 +0200
              Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 12:05 +0000
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 14:29 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 12:37 +0000
                Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 14:43 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 14:59 +0200
            Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 13:37 +0200
              Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 12:14 +0000
          Re: personal cloud Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-10-12 05:46 -0500
            Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 13:33 +0200
              Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 12:12 +0000
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 14:51 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 13:01 +0000
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 15:27 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 13:31 +0000
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 17:02 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2018-10-12 11:15 -0400
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-13 00:22 +0200
                Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-15 04:23 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-15 09:58 +0000
                Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-12 22:50 +0000
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-13 02:06 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-13 02:08 +0000
                Re: personal cloud "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-10-13 07:32 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-13 11:53 +0200
                Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-13 10:40 +0000
                Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-13 15:25 +0200
                Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-15 04:37 +0200
      Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 11:37 +0200
    Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 11:35 +0200
      Re: personal cloud Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-10-12 04:48 -0500
        Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 13:06 +0200
          Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-12 13:43 +0200
          Re: personal cloud Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-10-12 07:29 -0500
          Re: personal cloud Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2018-10-12 12:58 +0000
            Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 16:59 +0200
              Re: personal cloud Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2018-10-12 15:34 +0000
              Re: personal cloud "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-10-14 14:14 +0200
            Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-12 22:34 +0000
              Re: personal cloud William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-10-13 15:03 +0000
                Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-13 18:50 +0000
        Re: personal cloud Soviet_Mario <SovietMario@CCCP.MIR> - 2018-10-12 14:33 +0200
          Re: personal cloud Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-10-12 07:45 -0500
      Re: personal cloud Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-10-12 22:24 +0000

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