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  Copilot?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-26 20:25 +1100
    Re: Copilot?? Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> - 2025-01-26 10:12 +0000
      Re: Copilot?? jason_warren <jason_warren@ieee.org> - 2025-01-31 19:04 -0500
    Re: Copilot?? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 03:34 -0800
      Re: Copilot?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-26 23:06 +1100
        Re: Copilot?? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-26 04:56 -0800
          Re: Copilot?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-02 22:29 +1100
            Re: Copilot?? Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-02-02 19:14 +0000
              Re: Copilot?? mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) - 2025-02-02 22:15 +0000
        Re: Copilot?? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 00:59 -0700
          Re: Copilot?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-02 22:40 +1100
            Re: Copilot?? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-02 11:55 -0700
    Re: Copilot?? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-26 08:26 -0500
    Re: Copilot?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-26 13:56 -0500
    Re: Copilot?? Ali Mirza <ali.mirza@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-27 00:30 +0000
      Re: Copilot?? sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-26 18:51 -0600
        Re: Copilot?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-26 22:40 -0500
      Re: Copilot?? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-26 22:13 -0500
        Re: Copilot?? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 01:22 -0700
          Re: Copilot?? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-27 07:41 -0500
            Re: Copilot?? sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-27 12:13 -0600
            Re: Copilot?? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 21:49 -0700
              Re: Copilot?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-28 02:30 -0500
              Re: Copilot?? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-28 08:31 -0500
      Re: Copilot?? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-02 22:55 +1100
    Re: Copilot?? Paul in Houston TX <Paul@Houston.Texas> - 2025-01-27 16:02 -0600
      Re: Copilot?? Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2025-01-30 19:12 +0300
    Re: Copilot?? mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) - 2025-02-01 04:34 +0000
      Re: Copilot?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-01 07:20 -0500
        Re: Copilot?? mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) - 2025-02-02 19:07 +0000
          Re: Copilot?? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-02 15:24 -0500

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#16532 — Copilot??

I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??

Can I do without it??

TIA
-- 
Daniel70

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#16535

On 26/1/25 9:25 am, Daniel70 wrote:
> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
> 
> Can I do without it??
> 
> TIA

As far as I can see, it's a totally unnecessary AI program designed to 
cash in on what Microsoft thinks is a trendy money-spinner. I cannot for 
the life of me understand why they are not been sued for millions by the 
owners of CoPilot satnav, which has been around for many years and is 
possibly the best separate satnav program.

-- 
Tetbury, Gloucestershirel, UK

The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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#16662

In article <lvmg4iF1ts2U1@mid.individual.net>, 
bob.henson@outlook.com says...
> 
> On 26/1/25 9:25 am, Daniel70 wrote:
> > I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
> > 
> > Can I do without it??
> > 
> > TIA
> 
> As far as I can see, it's a totally unnecessary AI program designed to 
> cash in on what Microsoft thinks is a trendy money-spinner. I cannot for 
> the life of me understand why they are not been sued for millions by the 
> owners of CoPilot satnav, which has been around for many years and is 
> possibly the best separate satnav program.

Slight OT, but I've wondered the same thing about Subaru's 
Starlink feature that's been around longer than Musk's 
satellites.

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#16539

On 1/26/25 1:25 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
> 
> Can I do without it??
> 
> TIA


Unless you like being spied on and pop ups of crap to buy,
get rid of it.  It is spyware.

CoPilot is M$'s attempt to turn the user into the product,
rather than the customer.

Open the start menu, type in CoPilot, right click on it
and select remove it.

Be prepared for M$ may put it back the next update.
M$ will eventually give up.

And don't user Chrome browser or Edge browser.
I recommend Firefox with the U Block Orgin add on
and Brave Browser, which has automatic ad blocking.

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#16544

On 26/01/2025 10:34 pm, T wrote:
> On 1/26/25 1:25 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
>>
>> Can I do without it??
>>
>> TIA
> 
> Unless you like being spied on and pop ups of crap to buy,
> get rid of it.  It is spyware.
> 
> CoPilot is M$'s attempt to turn the user into the product,
> rather than the customer.
> 
> Open the start menu, type in CoPilot, right click on it
> and select remove it.
> 
> Be prepared for M$ may put it back the next update.
> M$ will eventually give up.
> 
> And don't user Chrome browser or Edge browser.
> I recommend Firefox with the U Block Orgin add on
> and Brave Browser, which has automatic ad blocking.

Thanks, Bob and T. I'll turn it off shortly.

For Internet stuff, I mostly use SeaMonkey Suite and, if I have to (the 
SeaMonkey Devs do their best to keep SM up-to-date), Firefox.
-- 
Daniel70

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#16545

On 1/26/25 4:06 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> For Internet stuff, I mostly use SeaMonkey Suite and, if I have to (the 
> SeaMonkey Devs do their best to keep SM up-to-date), Firefox.

SeaMonkey (Gekco rendering Engine) has a nice HTML editor
in it.  I use it all the time.

      seamonkey --edit %u

I recommend both Blink rendering engine (Chromium, Chrome,
Brave, Vivaldi) and a Gekco engine (Firefox, Seamonkey,
Water Fox, Ice Weasel, etc.) browser be installed.  If
one does not work, user the other or both at once.

I have nine browsers installed.

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#16711

On 26/01/2025 11:56 pm, T wrote:
> On 1/26/25 4:06 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> For Internet stuff, I mostly use SeaMonkey Suite and, if I have to 
>> (the SeaMonkey Devs do their best to keep SM up-to-date), Firefox.
> 
> SeaMonkey (Gekco rendering Engine) has a nice HTML editor
> in it.  I use it all the time.
> 
>       seamonkey --edit %u
> 
> I recommend both Blink rendering engine (Chromium, Chrome,
> Brave, Vivaldi) and a Gekco engine (Firefox, Seamonkey,
> Water Fox, Ice Weasel, etc.) browser be installed.  If
> one does not work, user the other or both at once.
> 
> I have nine browsers installed.
> 
> 
NINE!!!!!!!!
-- 
Daniel70

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#16732

On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 22:29:33 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:

[snip]

>> I have nine browsers installed.
>> 
>> 
> NINE!!!!!!!!

I have an installation (VM) of Windows XP with 39 browsers (mostly 
different versions of IE and Firefox) on it.

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#16739

> Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 22:29:33 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> I have nine browsers installed.
>> 
>> 
>> NINE!!!!!!!!
> 
> I have an installation (VM) of Windows XP with 39 browsers (mostly
> different versions of IE and Firefox) on it.



What exactly do you need or use that for? 


This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=682633936#682633936

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#16562

Daniel70 wrote on 1/26/25 5:06 AM:
> On 26/01/2025 10:34 pm, T wrote:
>> On 1/26/25 1:25 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
>>>
>>> Can I do without it??
>>>
>>> TIA
>>
>> Unless you like being spied on and pop ups of crap to buy,
>> get rid of it.  It is spyware.
>>
>> CoPilot is M$'s attempt to turn the user into the product,
>> rather than the customer.
>>
>> Open the start menu, type in CoPilot, right click on it
>> and select remove it.
>>
>> Be prepared for M$ may put it back the next update.
>> M$ will eventually give up.
>>
>> And don't user Chrome browser or Edge browser.
>> I recommend Firefox with the U Block Orgin add on
>> and Brave Browser, which has automatic ad blocking.
> 
> Thanks, Bob and T. I'll turn it off shortly.
> 
> For Internet stuff, I mostly use SeaMonkey Suite and, if I have to (the 
> SeaMonkey Devs do their best to keep SM up-to-date), Firefox.

Hi Daniel,
  Don't follow those instructions to remove CoPilot.

Your sequence to do so for the best results should be
  Start Menu
  Enter CoPilot in the Search field
  Click on App Settings
   - in the following order
   Click Reset
   Click Never (in drop down  enu under 'Let this app run in background')
   Click Terminate
  Click Uninstall (if desired)
  Restart the device, Logon to Windows
  Start Menu, repeat search for CoPilot
   => if still present in the search results, then click 'Uninstall'
   Note: This last step should not be necessary if the earlier Reset, 
Terminate, Never run in background, Uninstall were succesful.

If you are also using Office(2019 or later => stand-alone,M365 Home or 
Familiy, or Office Pro/Plus[student or company provided). perform the two 
settings for each below item
  Open Word - File/Options/CoPilot/ - uncheck Enable
  Open Browser - Logon to <https://account.microsoft.com/services>
    => Click on Subscriptions(left hand navigation pane, if not already 
preselected). If you see a CoPilot option in the main Subcriptions 
window(center),  click on it and disable CoPilot
    => Log off your Microsoft account

While Copilot, may be pushed down with future version or builds via 
Windows Update or feature updates to Win11...repeat the same process when 
necessary.  Following the above sequence will provide the most successful 
results.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16713

On 27/01/2025 6:59 pm, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:
> Daniel70 wrote on 1/26/25 5:06 AM:
>> On 26/01/2025 10:34 pm, T wrote:
>>> On 1/26/25 1:25 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
>>>>
>>>> Can I do without it??
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Unless you like being spied on and pop ups of crap to buy,
>>> get rid of it.  It is spyware.
>>>
>>> CoPilot is M$'s attempt to turn the user into the product,
>>> rather than the customer.
>>>
>>> Open the start menu, type in CoPilot, right click on it
>>> and select remove it.
>>>
>>> Be prepared for M$ may put it back the next update.
>>> M$ will eventually give up.
>>>
>>> And don't user Chrome browser or Edge browser.
>>> I recommend Firefox with the U Block Orgin add on
>>> and Brave Browser, which has automatic ad blocking.
>>
>> Thanks, Bob and T. I'll turn it off shortly.
>>
>> For Internet stuff, I mostly use SeaMonkey Suite and, if I have to 
>> (the SeaMonkey Devs do their best to keep SM up-to-date), Firefox.
> 
> Hi Daniel,
>   Don't follow those instructions to remove CoPilot.
> 
> Your sequence to do so for the best results should be
>   Start Menu
>   Enter CoPilot in the Search field

When I do that, I get taken to a 'Personalization > Text input' which 
tells me I can 'Customize Copilot key on keyboard' for which there is 
'None selected' .... then 'The Copilot key isn't connected to any 
action. Choose what you'd like to happen when you press the Copilot key'

Does this count as Disabled??

>   Click on App Settings
>    - in the following order
>    Click Reset
>    Click Never (in drop down  enu under 'Let this app run in background')
>    Click Terminate
>   Click Uninstall (if desired)
>   Restart the device, Logon to Windows
>   Start Menu, repeat search for CoPilot
>    => if still present in the search results, then click 'Uninstall'
>    Note: This last step should not be necessary if the earlier Reset, 
> Terminate, Never run in background, Uninstall were succesful.
> 
> If you are also using Office(2019 or later => stand-alone,M365 Home or 
> Familiy, or Office Pro/Plus[student or company provided). perform the 
> two settings for each below item
>   Open Word - File/Options/CoPilot/ - uncheck Enable
>   Open Browser - Logon to <https://account.microsoft.com/services>
>     => Click on Subscriptions(left hand navigation pane, if not already 
> preselected). If you see a CoPilot option in the main Subcriptions 
> window(center),  click on it and disable CoPilot
>     => Log off your Microsoft account
> 
> While Copilot, may be pushed down with future version or builds via 
> Windows Update or feature updates to Win11...repeat the same process 
> when necessary.  Following the above sequence will provide the most 
> successful results.-- 
Daniel70

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#16730

Daniel70 wrote on 2/2/25 4:40 AM:
> On 27/01/2025 6:59 pm, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>   Don't follow those instructions to remove CoPilot.
>>
>> Your sequence to do so for the best results should be
>>   Start Menu
>>   Enter CoPilot in the Search field
> 
> When I do that, I get taken to a 'Personalization > Text input' which 
> tells me I can 'Customize Copilot key on keyboard' for which there is 
> 'None selected' .... then 'The Copilot key isn't connected to any action. 
> Choose what you'd like to happen when you press the Copilot key'
> 
> Does this count as Disabled??

No, it does not count as disabled.

When CoPilot options appear after entering CoPilot in the Start Menu 
search field - look at the options listed under CoPilot App.
  => Click on App Settings
  Then follow the previously provided instructions in the exact order as 
shown.

> 
>>   Click on App Settings
>>    - in the following order
>>    Click Reset
>>    Click Never (in drop down  enu under 'Let this app run in background')
>>    Click Terminate
>>   Click Uninstall (if desired)
>>   Restart the device, Logon to Windows
>>   Start Menu, repeat search for CoPilot
>>    => if still present in the search results, then click 'Uninstall'
>>    Note: This last step should not be necessary if the earlier Reset, 
>> Terminate, Never run in background, Uninstall were succesful.
>>
>> If you are also using Office(2019 or later => stand-alone,M365 Home or 
>> Familiy, or Office Pro/Plus[student or company provided). perform the 
>> two settings for each below item
>>   Open Word - File/Options/CoPilot/ - uncheck Enable
>>   Open Browser - Logon to <https://account.microsoft.com/services>
>>     => Click on Subscriptions(left hand navigation pane, if not already 
>> preselected). If you see a CoPilot option in the main Subcriptions 
>> window(center),  click on it and disable CoPilot
>>     => Log off your Microsoft account
>>

> Daniel70


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16549

On 1/26/2025 4:25 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
> 
> Can I do without it??
> 

Interesting interview here with Microsoft's head of AI:

https://www.theverge.com/24314821/microsoft-ai-ceo-mustafa-suleyman-google-deepmind-openai-inflection-agi-decoder-podcast

    He's a salivating, wide-eyed futurist nutcake. But we need to take him
seriously because he's also talking about very clever ideas for vacuuming
a lot of money out of a lot of wallets, while turning computing into a kind
of interactive shopping channel and TV. Looney Tunes meets Shopping
Channel:

   "My bet is that every browser, search engine, and app is going to get 
represented by some kind of conversational interface, some kind of 
generative interface. The UI that you experience is going to be 
automagically produced by an LLM in three or five years, and that is 
going to be the default. And they’ll be representing the brands, 
businesses, influencers, celebrities, academics, activists, and 
organizations, just as each one of those stakeholders in society ended 
up getting a podcast, getting a website, writing a blog, maybe building 
an app, or using the telephone back in the day."

  (Always watch out for people who use fad words like "automagically".)

   What does that mean? It means Atomic Clippy greeting you with,
"What do you want to buy today?", after Clippy has negotiated deals
with other corporate AI to decide who gets your attention.

    It means the insipid noise of News
and Interests will be represented by a cartoon character and/or
a Siri voice. And according to this man, that will be your Windows
interface. Endless hours of entertainment for the whole family.

   It's also the ultimate surveillance tool, potentially giving Microsoft
a constant feed of data about your interests, impulses, shopping,
medical conditions... Anything you do on your device would go
through them. Atomic Clippy will anticipate your DoorDash order
and eventually make you feel appreciated by ordering it before you
ask. Lonely, elderly people will fall in love with Atomic Clippy and
take its advice to buy Microsoft stock. Gradually, Atomic Clippy
will become more assertive, like the way that Facebook started
out a way to connect with friends and then turned into an ad-
infested funnel for people to reach whatever outside world Zuck
deems to be most profitable to him.

   There was an interesting quote from Meredith Whittaker, former
Google employee and now CEO of Signal:

"AI is a product of the mass surveillance business model in its current
form. It is not a separate technological phenomenon."

https://www.wired.com/story/meredith-whittaker-signal/

   It would be nice to think that AI assistants might eventually be
better than search engines at finding answers, saving time. But
you need to remember that the people working on this stuff are
like crazed Manhattan Project scientists, whose work is owned by
crazed, greedy tech giants. Profit is the name of the game.

   And that's just the sleazy part. Then there's also the disturbing
sci-fi aspect. When the scientists at Los Alamos were ready to test
their bomb, they called the NM governor, telling him to take his family
out of the state. They thought there was a notable chance that the
bomb would blow up NM. They thought there was a slim chance that
they'd ignite the Earth itself into a nuclear inferno... So they waited a
couple of miles away to be on the safe side.

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#16554

On Sun, 1/26/2025 4:25 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
> 
> Can I do without it??
> 
> TIA

AI are non-deterministic. The answers don't have to make any sense.
Quite frequently, a serious query, where you need a result, you
have to run it multiple times, adding "hints" to the question.
A serious query might require five English language sentences
to provide sufficient constraints for a solution. As a result,
you first craft a serious query in Notepad, before pasting the
text into the CoPilot hole.

It's the non-determinism that makes it "useless".

*******

You can ask it questions.

"Can you write me a Hello World program in the C Language ?"

"Approximately, how many fig newtons fit in a liter jar ?"

"If I put my shoes on the wrong feet, what will happen to me ?"

"What is the thing called, which is fitted to the end
 of a shoe lace to prevent it from fraying ?"

You could also ask it for the names of the component parts of a zipper.

*******

Now, for the next level of demonstration, we need to examine what
the various entry points on the computer do.

1) There is a Copilot icon on the task bar. This one is not signed in.
   If you ask Copilot to draw you a picture, it will ask you to sign
   in with your MSA, which is a pain in the ass.

2) If you open the MSEdge (web browser) icon, then look up in the upper right corner,
   there is a Copilot icon. On my machine at least, I seem to be signed
   into Edge. It must have happened at some point. When you request the
   drawing of a picture, the Copilot running at the data center, does
   an analysis of the query, to see what module should load. It has
   loaded something like "Copilot Studio Lite" when I asked it this question.
   This is the result. I got a picture.

   <me> Can you draw me a picture of two harbour seals basking in the sun on a rock at the beach ?

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/BnNFxJ5t/seals.jpg

Now the first time I ran that query, it looked "photo-realistic".
The second run shows signs of a bit of hallucination, rather than
just copying a picture almost verbatim from somewhere. The first
picture, the composition was almost too good for an AI to do without
some sort of help. I didn't save the first picture. The second picture
posted above, isn't quite as good as the first. No day at the
beach looks quite like the second picture. Harbour seals sometimes
sit on a rock, to avoid being eaten by an Orca, but the rock must be
very big, because an Orca will rise up on the rock and take a swipe
at them. Harbour seals will also jump up on the running board
on the back of a yacht, for a similar reason, to avoid being eaten.

https://awaalaska.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/whittier_alaska_harbor_seal_001.jpg

That seal can quite easily be knocked off there and eaten.
That's not the best spot for it.

   Paul

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#16558

On 26/01/2025 09:25, Daniel70 wrote:
> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
> 
> Can I do without it??
> 


It depends whether you are curious about new technology or not. I have 
always been curious about new things in life and before turning it down, 
I would try it and see what can I achieve with the new thing.

I use CoPilot and I like it. People talking about spying and all that 
nonsense are spouting complete garbage from their backside. They have 
given up on life and are just surviving on a day to day basis. New 
challenges of life is not their cup of tea.

I would use Copilot and see what it can do. Windows will have CoPilot 
embedded into it and you'll do yourself justice to get used to it unless 
you are on a life support and have only a few months left.

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#16559

On 1/26/2025 6:30 PM, Ali Mirza wrote:
> On 26/01/2025 09:25, Daniel70 wrote:
>> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
>>
>> Can I do without it??
>>
> 
> 
> It depends whether you are curious about new technology or not. I have 
> always been curious about new things in life and before turning it down, 
> I would try it and see what can I achieve with the new thing.
> 
> I use CoPilot and I like it. People talking about spying and all that 
> nonsense are spouting complete garbage from their backside. They have 
> given up on life and are just surviving on a day to day basis. New 
> challenges of life is not their cup of tea.
> 
> I would use Copilot and see what it can do. Windows will have CoPilot 
> embedded into it and you'll do yourself justice to get used to it unless 
> you are on a life support and have only a few months left.

Thank you!  All that information will be very helpful to people.  Is 
this the kind of answer that Copilot would give?

-- 
Better Days Ahead!

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#16561

On Sun, 1/26/2025 7:51 PM, sticks wrote:
> On 1/26/2025 6:30 PM, Ali Mirza wrote:
>> On 26/01/2025 09:25, Daniel70 wrote:
>>> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
>>>
>>> Can I do without it??
>>>
>>
>>
>> It depends whether you are curious about new technology or not. I have always been curious about new things in life and before turning it down, I would try it and see what can I achieve with the new thing.
>>
>> I use CoPilot and I like it. People talking about spying and all that nonsense are spouting complete garbage from their backside. They have given up on life and are just surviving on a day to day basis. New challenges of life is not their cup of tea.
>>
>> I would use Copilot and see what it can do. Windows will have CoPilot embedded into it and you'll do yourself justice to get used to it unless you are on a life support and have only a few months left.
> 
> Thank you!  All that information will be very helpful to people.  Is this the kind of answer that Copilot would give?
> 

You can run a private one if you want.

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/01/china-is-catching-up-with-americas-best-reasoning-ai-models/

and no, it doesn't count the R's in    S t r a w b e r r y    properly :-)

For best results, read the comment section, because some people know
how to run some studio program that can load the models for you and
run them.

   Paul

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#16560

On 1/26/2025 7:30 PM, Ali Mirza wrote:
> On 26/01/2025 09:25, Daniel70 wrote:
>> I'm new to Win11 so could someone please explain what "Copilot" is??
>>
>> Can I do without it??
>>
> 
> 
> It depends whether you are curious about new technology or not. I have 
> always been curious about new things in life and before turning it down, 
> I would try it and see what can I achieve with the new thing.
> 
> I use CoPilot and I like it. People talking about spying and all that 
> nonsense are spouting complete garbage from their backside. They have 
> given up on life and are just surviving on a day to day basis. New 
> challenges of life is not their cup of tea.
> 
> I would use Copilot and see what it can do. Windows will have CoPilot 
> embedded into it and you'll do yourself justice to get used to it unless 
> you are on a life support and have only a few months left.
> 
> 
     MS must be getting nervous to send out the usenet shills.
We don't see that very often anymore.

    I saw an interesting report that MS plans to start charging
30% more for MSO 365, to pay for AI. Apparently people have no
choice but to pay for it, whether they want it or not. So MS
must have big plans for big bucks with AI.

https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/work-life/the-microsoft-365-copilot-launch-was-a-total-disaster/

  The technical term for this is enshittification:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

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Newyana2 wrote on 1/26/25 8:13 PM:
> 
>     I saw an interesting report that MS plans to start charging
> 30% more for MSO 365, to pay for AI. Apparently people have no
> choice but to pay for it, whether they want it or not. So MS
> must have big plans for big bucks with AI.
> 
> https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/work-life/the-microsoft-365-copilot-launch-was-a-total-disaster/ 

It's the first price increase in 12 yrs
  Office 365 Home Premium for 5 devices in 2013  - $99.99 per year
  Office 365 Home(rename of Premium) for 5 devices in 2014 - $99.99/year
  M365 Family(O365 Home rename) for *6* devices - 2017-2024 - $99.99/yr
  M365 Family(soon to be M365 Co-Pilot in 2025 => $129.99

   ===> $100 in 2013 purchasing power requires $135 in 2025

i.e. Just more conspiracy theory, news/media/opinion trying to correlate 
a price increase independent of economics and inflation.

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#16567

On 1/27/2025 3:22 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote on 1/26/25 8:13 PM:
>>
>>     I saw an interesting report that MS plans to start charging
>> 30% more for MSO 365, to pay for AI. Apparently people have no
>> choice but to pay for it, whether they want it or not. So MS
>> must have big plans for big bucks with AI.
>>
>> https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/work-life/the-microsoft-365-copilot-launch-was-a-total-disaster/ 
> 
> 
> It's the first price increase in 12 yrs
>   Office 365 Home Premium for 5 devices in 2013  - $99.99 per year
>   Office 365 Home(rename of Premium) for 5 devices in 2014 - $99.99/year
>   M365 Family(O365 Home rename) for *6* devices - 2017-2024 - $99.99/yr
>   M365 Family(soon to be M365 Co-Pilot in 2025 => $129.99
> 
>    ===> $100 in 2013 purchasing power requires $135 in 2025
> 
> i.e. Just more conspiracy theory, news/media/opinion trying to correlate 
> a price increase independent of economics and inflation.
> 

     I wondered how long it would take you to add to the shilling,
dear Winston Borg.
   If you read the article you'll see that Microsoft are the ones who
linked the increase to Copilot. Here's a clearer explanation:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/its-official-all-your-office-apps-are-getting-ai-and-a-price-increase/

   The personal version is going up even more. Almost half. And it's 
renamed
to Microsoft 365 Copilot, as you noted. They're clearly trying to market
Copilot as a valuable extra. That's no conspiracy theory. They want you
to think Copilot is the point. And maybe they'll get away with it. 
People are
gaga for AI these days. Though the only people I know saddled with MSO
365 are people stuck with it due to academic deals with colleges.

   I recently linked to an interview with the MS head of AI, who says
that AI assistants are the future of computing. The near future:

https://www.theverge.com/24314821/microsoft-ai-ceo-mustafa-suleyman-google-deepmind-openai-inflection-agi-decoder-podcast

"My bet is that every browser, search engine, and app is going to get 
represented by some kind of conversational interface, some kind of 
generative interface. The UI that you experience is going to be 
automagically produced by an LLM in three or five years, and that is 
going to be the default. And they’ll be representing the brands, 
businesses, influencers, celebrities, academics, activists, and 
organizations..."

   This is all from the horse's mouth. MS are clearly pushing an image of
themselves as out in front with the miracle of AI, just as their Channel
Bar, sitting on the Desktop, packed with ads, showed that they were out
in front with the Internet in 1998. (Maybe it's a good sign that MS have
been trying to shows ads for over 25 years and are just now managing
to pull off the scam. My prediction is that Windows goes rental soon.
That will all but complete the takeover of your device.

   But more to the point (and I thank you for providing another opportunity
to clarify this point for the public record) is that so-called AI is 
surveillance
on steroids. It promises to put a middleman interface between you and
everything you do on computers. If you go to DuckDuckGo to search, that
can be reasonably private, aside from Google, Facebook, Apple and a few
other leaches trying to track your movements. If you ask Copilot to search
for you, that provides an opportunity for Microsoft to monitor every nuance
of your search. Not only search terms but changes in search terms, info
provided, where the info came from, possibly even changes in speech
inflection. Enshittification, big time. :)

   This is the new iteration of the IE monopoly: Cut off the air supply
of Google and others by making sure that people never go outside of
Windows (and Windows/MS apps) when using Windows devices. At the
same time, the AI will provide an extraordinary opportunity for data
collection, to show targetted ads, for which a high price can be charged,
because the customer as target will be profiled with unprecedented
accuracy and specificity. I expect that for the always desperate leadership
at MS, this is not a moral issue or even a tech issue. It's simply money
being left on the table, as the saying goes, and they're going to make
the obvious choice: Grab that money before someone else does.

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