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  24H2 Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it> - 2025-02-06 12:15 +0100
    Re: 24H2 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-06 07:08 -0500
      Re: 24H2 Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it> - 2025-02-07 09:28 +0100
      Re: 24H2 Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it> - 2025-02-07 09:31 +0100
        Re: 24H2 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-21 23:04 -0500
          Re: 24H2 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-22 19:30 +0000
            Re: 24H2 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 14:48 -0500
              Re: 24H2 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-23 04:35 +0000
                Re: 24H2 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-02-23 10:18 -0600
                Re: 24H2 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-24 22:30 +0000
                  Re: 24H2 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-24 18:58 -0500
    Re: 24H2 Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-06 09:10 -0500
      Re: 24H2 ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-06 11:32 -0700
      Re: 24H2 Valerio Vanni <valerio.vanni@inwind.it> - 2025-02-06 22:22 +0100
        Re: 24H2 Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-06 17:17 -0500
          Re: 24H2 sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-02-06 16:35 -0600
    Re: 24H2 Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-02-06 09:25 -0800
    Re: 24H2 ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-06 11:08 -0700

#16843 — 24H2

windows updated to 24h2 without my permission, last week

after seven days fighting with malfunctioning issues, I reverted back 
to 23h2

how can I disable the update for good?

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#16845

On Thu, 2/6/2025 6:15 AM, Ammammata wrote:
> windows updated to 24h2 without my permission, last week
> 
> after seven days fighting with malfunctioning issues, I reverted back to 23h2
> 
> how can I disable the update for good?
> 

https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm

Set it to "11" "23H2" and click the application button,
and that will prevent going past 23H2. I'm using that
right now on my Daily Driver.

What that does, is set around four registry entries to stop upgrades.

*******

I have a 24H2 on the machine across from me, and that is running quite OK.

There is also a 24H2 on the Test Machine, which is eleven years old
and has no TPM. With no MBEC support, it's just a bit slow. The video driver
is WDDM 3.2 version (NVidia 560).

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/KcWTwqrZ/Test-Machine-runs-W11-24-H2.gif

  Paul

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#16867

Paul wrote on 06/02/2025 :
> I have a 24H2 on the machine across from me, and that is running quite OK.

same here, it fails only on my Lenovo ThinkCentre :(

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#16868

Paul explained on 06/02/2025 :
> https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
>
> Set it to "11" "23H2" and click the application button,
> and that will prevent going past 23H2. I'm using that
> right now on my Daily Driver.

did it, now I keep fingers crossed
Thank You

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#17373

Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it> wrote:
>Paul explained on 06/02/2025 :

>> https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
>>
>> Set it to "11" "23H2" and click the application button,
>> and that will prevent going past 23H2. I'm using that
>> right now on my Daily Driver.
>
>did it, now I keep fingers crossed
>Thank You


Paul is a wonderful soul.  You seem very cool, too.  For the records.

But I can't help but snark, here, that the solution is to revert to
23H2, because you said:  "windows updated to 24h2 without my
permission".  M$ is worse than I'd even have thought, in your
instance.  If that's the trend - Linux is a more reliable platform.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#17391

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 04:04 this Saturday (GMT):
> Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it> wrote:
>>Paul explained on 06/02/2025 :
>
>>> https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
>>>
>>> Set it to "11" "23H2" and click the application button,
>>> and that will prevent going past 23H2. I'm using that
>>> right now on my Daily Driver.
>>
>>did it, now I keep fingers crossed
>>Thank You
>
>
> Paul is a wonderful soul.  You seem very cool, too.  For the records.
>
> But I can't help but snark, here, that the solution is to revert to
> 23H2, because you said:  "windows updated to 24h2 without my
> permission".  M$ is worse than I'd even have thought, in your
> instance.  If that's the trend - Linux is a more reliable platform.


Forced/Begging for updates has been a thing since the 8.1 days.. I
remember all the ads and popups begging you to upgrade to W10, and that
it was a "limited time oppritunity" and such. Of course, it's so much
worse today.
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#17394

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 04:04 this Saturday (GMT):
>> Ammammata <ammammata@tiscali.it> wrote:
>>>Paul explained on 06/02/2025 :
>>
>>>> https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
>>>>
>>>> Set it to "11" "23H2" and click the application button,
>>>> and that will prevent going past 23H2. I'm using that
>>>> right now on my Daily Driver.
>>>
>>>did it, now I keep fingers crossed
>>>Thank You
>>
>> Paul is a wonderful soul.  You seem very cool, too.  For the records.
>>
>> But I can't help but snark, here, that the solution is to revert to
>> 23H2, because you said:  "windows updated to 24h2 without my
>> permission".  M$ is worse than I'd even have thought, in your
>> instance.  If that's the trend - Linux is a more reliable platform.
>
>Forced/Begging for updates has been a thing since the 8.1 days.. I
>remember all the ads and popups begging you to upgrade to W10, and that
>it was a "limited time oppritunity" and such. Of course, it's so much
>worse today.


Admittedly, though, they didn't lie about 10 being the last real
version ever.  Because a (previously upgraded) 7 key will install 11
on cutting edge hardware or a VM.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#17419

On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 14:48:07 -0500, Joel wrote:

> Admittedly, though, they didn't lie about 10 being the last real version
> ever.  Because a (previously upgraded) 7 key will install 11 on cutting
> edge hardware or a VM.

When I was on the Insiders channel they pushed out a 'Windows Next' 
update. It wouldn't install and they quickly reverted it. That was over a 
year ago and I haven't heard any more about a 'next' or 12. 

I think they're too busy chasing the AI unicorn through the fields of 
clover at the moment. 

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#17434

rbowman wrote:

> Joel wrote:
>>
>> Admittedly, though, they didn't lie about 10 being the last real version
>> ever.  Because a (previously upgraded) 7 key will install 11 on cutting
>> edge hardware or a VM.
>
>When I was on the Insiders channel they pushed out a 'Windows Next' 
>update. It wouldn't install and they quickly reverted it. That was over a 
>year ago and I haven't heard any more about a 'next' or 12. 
>
>I think they're too busy chasing the AI unicorn through the fields of 
>clover at the moment. 

Well, what's better than to have an "AI" spy on their customers?  It
must feel like they've died and gone to heaven.

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About 15 years?
And Linux is free?
Linux must be defective.

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#17453

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 04:35 this Sunday (GMT):
> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 14:48:07 -0500, Joel wrote:
>
>> Admittedly, though, they didn't lie about 10 being the last real version
>> ever.  Because a (previously upgraded) 7 key will install 11 on cutting
>> edge hardware or a VM.
>
> When I was on the Insiders channel they pushed out a 'Windows Next' 
> update. It wouldn't install and they quickly reverted it. That was over a 
> year ago and I haven't heard any more about a 'next' or 12. 
>
> I think they're too busy chasing the AI unicorn through the fields of 
> clover at the moment. 


I honestly wouldn't be too suprised if MS started making Windows itself
a subsciption that got continuously updated.
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#17454

On Mon, 2/24/2025 5:30 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 04:35 this Sunday (GMT):
>> On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 14:48:07 -0500, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Admittedly, though, they didn't lie about 10 being the last real version
>>> ever.  Because a (previously upgraded) 7 key will install 11 on cutting
>>> edge hardware or a VM.
>>
>> When I was on the Insiders channel they pushed out a 'Windows Next' 
>> update. It wouldn't install and they quickly reverted it. That was over a 
>> year ago and I haven't heard any more about a 'next' or 12. 
>>
>> I think they're too busy chasing the AI unicorn through the fields of 
>> clover at the moment. 
> 
> 
> I honestly wouldn't be too suprised if MS started making Windows itself
> a subsciption that got continuously updated.
> 

Back in 2015, WaaS was posited as the endpoint for the ecosystem.

It is now 2025, and we're still floating that balloon ?

How long does it take to do frog boiling (a critter that does
not escape a boiling pot if the temperature is raised gradually,
instead it croaks rather than hop out) ? Let's find out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Maybe they've figured out that the pot would be empty if they did that.
Although it's true that some people will pay for almost anything
shoved through their letterbox.

*******

And you don't install just any old key on a VM. Microsoft Tech Support
do not support maintenance issues for VM-linked keys. There is a
specific product you're supposed to be buying, if wishing to
license the OS while it runs in a VM. You can't just take the
license key off the back of a cereal box and enter that -- the
reason is, if the key is "lost", the Tech Support person
will give their rendition of "tough Beanz". They won't do a
thing for you. With the correct key (no idea what Enterprise
product that would be), then you will get a better response from
them. Someone here lost a key in a VM already, and they recount the
response they got when trying to restore it. It's sufficient to
modify some identifier used in the VM to upset the activation
of the key -- making a VM "more brittle" than bricks&mortar
real computers with their NIC MAC address and other hardware
details.

An example of a key, would be a "Retail SKU" where the price is
double the normal OEM key, but you get the right to "move" the
license from one machine to another. Such a key could be put
on a VM where the identifier got modified by accident or
abuse. The key when re-applied to the VM, would
"look like it was being moved". Whereas the more normal OEM
keys floating around, are unlikely to have that property (can't
be moved).

   Paul

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#16850

On 2/6/2025 6:15 AM, Ammammata wrote:
> windows updated to 24h2 without my permission, last week
> 
> after seven days fighting with malfunctioning issues, I reverted back to 
> 23h2
> 
> how can I disable the update for good?
> 

    Download Windows Update Blocker. It disables the services
and then apparently locks the settings. (Since Win10, Windows
can re-enable some services if you disable them, while
pretending that it allows you to disable them. The Windows
update services are among them. Interestingly, if you disable
a critical service like RPC or Background Tasks Infrastructure,
Windows will happily fall on its sword rather than overriding
your choice or even warning you.)

   I also recommend Simplewall. Free, easy, small. It uses the
Windows firewall API to provide a highly functional interface.
You can easily configure it to only allow approved programs
to go online. It also has special settings for Windows telemetry,
Update, and MS programs, under the Blocklist menu.

   I'm afraid it's come to this. Microsoft increasingly lies about
what they're doing and what your options are. Though it's
not entirely new. They've always adopted a sneaky approach
of non-confrontational sleaze. My favorite example was in IE,
where the cookie settings required work to find. If you managed
to find them, the 3rd-party cookie settings were hidden behind
a button marked "Advanced". MS didn't fight about 3rd-party
cookies. They just ensured that 99.8% of people would never
even know about them.

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#16856

Newyana2 wrote on 2/6/25 7:10 AM:
> On 2/6/2025 6:15 AM, Ammammata wrote:
>> windows updated to 24h2 without my permission, last week
> 
>    I'm afraid it's come to this. Microsoft increasingly lies about
> what they're doing and what your options are. Though it's
> not entirely new. 

Yes, not entirely new.
  Original notification on auto-update for 24H2(from 23H2 and 22H2) in 
consumer version(Pro, Home) in Insider program(Canary build, quite a few 
months ago).
  Most recent notice reiterated/updating Dec 2024 notice in Win11 24H2's 
January 2025 Known Issues.

...same as in the past for Win11 22H2 to 23H2, Win10 21H2 to 22H2(Oct 
2022 notice).

i.e. nothing new, standard, expected practice/deployment.

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#16857

On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 09:10:09 -0500, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

>On 2/6/2025 6:15 AM, Ammammata wrote:
>> windows updated to 24h2 without my permission, last week
>> 
>> after seven days fighting with malfunctioning issues, I reverted back to 
>> 23h2
>> 
>> how can I disable the update for good?
>> 
>
>    Download Windows Update Blocker. It disables the services
>and then apparently locks the settings.

He doesn't want to block updates entirely, he wants only to prevent
major ones (23H2 -> 24H2).
GRC tool seems better.

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e quelle che non lo capiscono.

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#16858

On 2/6/2025 4:22 PM, Valerio Vanni wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 09:10:09 -0500, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/6/2025 6:15 AM, Ammammata wrote:
>>> windows updated to 24h2 without my permission, last week
>>>
>>> after seven days fighting with malfunctioning issues, I reverted back to
>>> 23h2
>>>
>>> how can I disable the update for good?
>>>
>>
>>     Download Windows Update Blocker. It disables the services
>> and then apparently locks the settings.
> 
> He doesn't want to block updates entirely, he wants only to prevent
> major ones (23H2 -> 24H2).
> GRC tool seems better.
> 

   Maybe. If it works. I wonder. Microsoft is saying it's not your
choice this time. I think that overall there isn't much choice
but to either let MS control your device or block them out.
But I suppose that if people want to try to keep getting security
updates then they could make disk images of the version they
want, then try to Registry setting.

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#16859

On 2/6/2025 4:17 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>> He doesn't want to block updates entirely, he wants only to prevent
>> major ones (23H2 -> 24H2).
>> GRC tool seems better.
>>
> 
>    Maybe. If it works. I wonder. 

Idjit.  It works

>Microsoft is saying it's not your
> choice this time. 

BS

> I think that overall there isn't much choice
> but to either let MS control your device or block them out.
> But I suppose that if people want to try to keep getting security
> updates then they could make disk images of the version they
> want, then try to Registry setting.

Frightening world this guy lives in!

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Darwanism Is Junk Science!!

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#16854

On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 12:15:12 +0100, Ammammata wrote:
> 
> windows updated to 24h2 without my permission, last week
> 
> after seven days fighting with malfunctioning issues, I reverted back 
> to 23h2
> 
> how can I disable the update for good?

https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm

-- 
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA         
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

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#16855

Ammammata wrote on 2/6/25 4:15 AM:
> windows updated to 24h2 without my permission, last week
> 
> after seven days fighting with malfunctioning issues, I reverted back to 
> 23h2
> 
> how can I disable the update for good?
> 


<qp>
Devices running Home and Pro editions of Windows 11, versions 23H2 and 
22H2 that are not managed by IT departments will receive the update 
automatically. Users can choose the time to restart their device or 
postpone the update.
</qp>

cf.
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-24h2>
  - see 4th paragraph in section titled 'Current status as of January 21, 
2025 "

Also see 'Pause updats in Windows 11'
 
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/pause-updates-in-windows-643e9ea7-3cf6-7da6-a25c-95d4f7f099fe>

Other methods to 'pause':
  - 3rd party software or manual intervention - a variety of methods 
available via search(Google, Bing, Duck, Yahoo, etc.)


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