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| Started by | Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> |
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| First post | 2024-12-16 22:27 -0500 |
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I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-12-16 22:27 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-16 23:34 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-12-17 09:45 +0000
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-12-17 10:35 +0000
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Elon M <noreply@hyhgfrtgf.com> - 2024-12-17 16:45 +0000
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-17 07:13 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-12-17 13:28 +0000
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 09:08 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 11:28 -0700
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-17 18:40 +0000
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:10 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:26 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Undecided User <spam-here@linux.org> - 2024-12-18 00:47 +0000
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-18 08:44 +0100
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 23:56 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-18 00:02 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-18 01:02 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 23:54 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 08:42 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-18 13:52 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-18 16:19 -0600
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-18 15:28 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-19 08:52 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-19 11:21 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-19 12:19 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 13:44 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-19 22:12 +0100
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-19 20:05 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-20 15:14 +0100
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-20 09:42 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-20 22:30 +0100
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-20 12:22 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-20 15:55 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-20 22:41 +0100
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:26 -0700
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-22 04:44 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-22 08:16 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 08:39 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-22 09:57 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-22 17:49 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 14:06 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-23 16:16 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-23 19:10 -0600
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-23 17:23 -0800
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Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-21 04:00 -0500
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Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 15:32 -0600
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-19 20:07 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 20:13 -0600
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Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:51 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 19:12 -0700
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Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-23 17:10 -0500
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| From | Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-16 22:27 -0500 |
| Subject | I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update |
| Message-ID | <a70457555caf1e161553f894466fd45fa6b3027b@novabbs.org> |
Can someone help me understand what to do? Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
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| From | Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2024-12-16 23:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vjquv5$1i9vf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15456 |
On 12/16/2024 10:27 PM, Larry Wolff wrote: > Can someone help me understand what to do? > Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC > https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/ > The way I read it is that while many people may be able to make the Win11 update install, it will be incompatible with older machines and therefore MS promise nothing. If you stay with 10 you can get another years of patches and optionally pay $30 for another year of support beyond that. If you go to 11 on an unsupported machine then you may not get any more updates. So, the bottom line: If you're a person who thinks it's good to have Microsoft constantly fiddling with your computer without asking or explaining, because you think that makes it safer, then you should make sure that you have a Win11-compatible device before next October. If you don't plan to buy compatible hardware then you risk getting less support than you would with Win10, because updates may fail, even though Win11 installed.
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| From | John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 09:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <GO0vhXC$gUYnFwnL@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #15456 |
In message <a70457555caf1e161553f894466fd45fa6b3027b@novabbs.org>, Larry
Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> writes
>Can someone help me understand what to do?
>Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-m
>illion-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Forbes seems to publish a Windows scare story about once a week, so I
now ignore them. If there's ever a serious threat, I'm sure I'll hear
about it here.
--
John Hall
"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
will hardly mind anything else."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 10:35 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lsd2f6F190U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #15456 |
Larry Wolff wrote: > Can someone help me understand what to do? > Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC > https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/ Just ignore all the bullshit youtubers who are claiming Microsoft has changed their stance and now allow Win11 on older computers, they haven't changed, you'll still be unsupported.
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| From | Elon M <noreply@hyhgfrtgf.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 16:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vjs8k6$326sa$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #15459 |
On 17/12/2024 10:35, Andy Burns wrote: > Larry Wolff wrote: > >> Can someone help me understand what to do? >> Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC >> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/ >> > > Just ignore all the bullshit youtubers who are claiming Microsoft has > changed their stance and now allow Win11 on older computers, they > haven't changed, you'll still be unsupported. It's all part of the fun. Larry Wolff, a.k.a Arlen, needs to be kept busy. It's Christmas time so have fun at the cost of Microsoft.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 07:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vjrpu1$1ntkd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15456 |
On Mon, 12/16/2024 10:27 PM, Larry Wolff wrote:
> Can someone help me understand what to do?
> Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
>
Zak gets a dollar a word for writing articles like that.
And just before Christmas too. A tidy little earner.
This isn't the answer, if you actually have a place to plug this in.
These are more expensive than when I bought one. I might have
paid $22, now a commercial one of these is $60+ . After I bought
the first one, the computer store did not have any... and, they
had no plan or interest in stocking any, either. Which is the
"excellent" aspect of the whole thing.
https://diy.viktak.com/2022/04/home-made-tpm2-0-module.html
Your BIOS is the key. Take my Asus DDR4 era board. The twits saved
$0.10 by NOT putting a header on the board. Yes, the BIOS has fTPM
code and there is firmware fakery available to convince Win11 the
machine is compliant. However, not all application software likes
the fTPM. The BIOS code on the Asus is generic, and there *is*
code in the BIOS to detect a physical TPM 2.0 module and use it. There is
just... no place to plug it in. Nice work Asus. If I want, I do have
a solution there, but it likely involves soldering a module
to the back of the flash chip on LPM (16MB/sec) bus.
*******
Now, I know Larry, you didn't like my opening paragraphs there.
You wanted it spelled out for you. Here goes.
There is a web site in ireland, rufus.ie , and the consultant there
makes a USB stick loader, for putting a variety of OSes onto a USB
stick.
When you offer the rufus.ie software a copy of the Windows 11 DVD,
the transfer happens. But, there are some tick boxes on the next
screen, labeled "Defeat this" and "Defeat that". By using the
controls and if you are missing a TPM 2.0, telling Rufus to defeat
the Windows installer check, it can be defeated.
This allows a non-TPM, or non-secure-boot machine, to accept a
copy of windows 11.
OK, so how do I use this ?
1) Clean install. Boot Rufus stick, install Windows 11. The Defeat boxes
are basically using a Windows 10 installer code, to install Windows 11
materials and ignore the compatibility issues.
2) W11-over-W10. For this, you can plug in your Rufus USB stick,
and when the drive letter shows up, execute Setup.exe on the USB stick.
The W11 compatibility details are ignored, the installer installs
it as if it was another version of Windows 10. Yet "winver.exe" later
will say quite properly, it is Windows 11, and it *is* windows 11.
3) Let us say we happen to be running W11 23H2. The Windows Update *WON'T*
offer us W11 24H2, no matter how much we hold our breath and turn blue.
OK, use Rufus, make a W11 24H2 USB stick, insert, run the Setup.exe,
do a W11-over-W11 install keeping all user files and user programs.
In each case, Rufus is your offensive weapon, taking the battle to Microsoft.
If unbidden, if the Windows installers are released unmodified on your
incompatible system, whatever install is attempted, will be backed out.
Maybe some of your Notifications settings are put back in the Advertising Mode
again. But for the most part, Microsoft doesn't absolutely crush the machine
when these happen. They're still being nice guys.
As long as the Rufus installer method defeats the PC Health check,
for the most part, you can use Windows 11 and get your Windows Defender
updates. Along with a lot of rubbish behaviors you did not want. windows
is modular, and while the installer has a stick up its ass and is very
strict, the runtime sniffs the hardware at each startup, and if
a piece is missing, some subsystem is turned off.
The only exception to this, is if you have a perfectly good Core2 system
from fifteen years ago, it does not have Population Count SSE4.2 instruction
and the machine will *crash*. We have not seen nor heard of this happening
*yet*. I have a machine warmed up on the runway for this test, but have
been too lazy to do it. I would have to do a Rufus, just to get the software
to even attempt to install. And I don't know whether the ISO will even
complete booting, without POPCNT.
*******
Summary: At the moment, anyone with the requisite skills of making a USB stick
installer with Rufus, can do the necessary experiments to determine
whether they can limp along, year by year, on their incompatible hardware.
Windows Update won't do your W11 24H2 to W11 25H2 update for you,
but your Rufus W11 25H2 USB stick and a W11-over-W11 install solves the
problem.
And when that doesn't work, we'll look at our list of alternative.
Paul
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| From | D <noreply@mixmin.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 13:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20241217.132824.92a5444e@mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #15456 |
On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 22:27:33 -0500, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote: >Can someone help me understand what to do? >Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC >https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/ (using Tor Browser 14.0.3) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+400+million >... new software/new hardware . . . recommend backup your user files to portable media regularly, keep your aging pcs running as long as possible, transition gradually . . . when your old pc finally peters out (power supply, usually), time to buy a new one, maybe a popular brand-name from a reputable retailer
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 09:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <rBf8P.12970$DPl.6195@fx13.iad> |
| In reply to | #15456 |
Le 2024-12-16 à 22:27, Larry Wolff a écrit : > Can someone help me understand what to do? > Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC > https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/ It seems to be for the people who installed Windows 11 on machines which aren't meant to run it: "This appeared to be a serious shift in policy, affecting the 400 million Windows users whose PCs do not meet the minimum threshold" Of course, fat Linux losers will not bother to read the article and will use this as proof that Windows is doomed and that 2025 is the year of the Linux desktop. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 11:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vjsfrl$1rss4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15456 |
Larry Wolff wrote on 12/16/24 8:27 PM: > Can someone help me understand what to do? > Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC > https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/ > Ignore it. Dorfman(the article author) is rarely worth reading, confusing, changing/digressing from the article subject. You have three options for a Windows device. 1. Device(Win10) meets Windows 11 requirements upgrade to 24H2 2. Device does not meet requirements - stay with current os or replace device with one that meets Win11 specs. 3. Device does not meet requirements, use 3rd party tools/methods to bypass Win11 system requirements to install/activate Win11. -- ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 18:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lsdutmFrg08U10@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #15464 |
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:28:04 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in <vjsfrl$1rss4$1@dont-email.me>: > Larry Wolff wrote on 12/16/24 8:27 PM: >> Can someone help me understand what to do? >> Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC >> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/ >> > Ignore it. > Dorfman(the article author) is rarely worth reading, confusing, > changing/digressing from the article subject. > > You have three options for a Windows device. > 1. Device(Win10) meets Windows 11 requirements upgrade to 24H2 > 2. Device does not meet requirements - stay with current os or replace > device with one that meets Win11 specs. > 3. Device does not meet requirements, use 3rd party tools/methods to > bypass Win11 system requirements to install/activate Win11. 4) Change OS's, and leave the Microsoft circus in the dust. -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.12.5 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "Brain: The apparatus with which we think that we think."
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 17:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <%Em8P.6736$WVI1.3898@fx43.iad> |
| In reply to | #15465 |
Le 2024-12-17 à 13:40, vallor a écrit : > On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:28:04 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> > wrote in <vjsfrl$1rss4$1@dont-email.me>: > >> Larry Wolff wrote on 12/16/24 8:27 PM: >>> Can someone help me understand what to do? >>> Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC >>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/ >>> >> Ignore it. >> Dorfman(the article author) is rarely worth reading, confusing, >> changing/digressing from the article subject. >> >> You have three options for a Windows device. >> 1. Device(Win10) meets Windows 11 requirements upgrade to 24H2 >> 2. Device does not meet requirements - stay with current os or replace >> device with one that meets Win11 specs. >> 3. Device does not meet requirements, use 3rd party tools/methods to >> bypass Win11 system requirements to install/activate Win11. > > 4) Change OS's, and leave the Microsoft circus in the dust. And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will also enjoy the random freezes Ubuntu-based distributions cause. -- CrudeSausage
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 14:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vjstqt$1t97h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15466 |
On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote: > And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will > Ubuntu-based distributions Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other better distros now. Fedora for instance. The choice is whatever meets your needs. Will your software run on what you pick. Most of my customers do not know or care what their OS is. They only care if the stuff will run on it. Virtually 99.99% of them I have to have them run `winver` on them.
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| From | Undecided User <spam-here@linux.org> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 00:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vjt69j$38lj7$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #15467 |
On 17/12/2024 22:26, T wrote: > On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote: >> And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will >> Ubuntu-based distributions > > Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other > better distros now. Fedora for instance. > When you say something is better, can you define what criteria you use to come to this decision? I always thought that Linux is Linux with a different lipstick to make it look different.
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vjtbis$1t97g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15470 |
On 12/17/24 16:47, Undecided User wrote:
> On 17/12/2024 22:26, T wrote:
>> On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will
>>> Ubuntu-based distributions
>>
>> Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other
>> better distros now. Fedora for instance.
>>
>
> When you say something is better, can you define what criteria you use
> to come to this decision?
>
> I always thought that Linux is Linux with a different lipstick to make
> it look different.
Hi Undecided,
Linux is a whole different culture than Windows.
It is highly configurable, is technologically
superior to Windows, and is highly secure
(Fedora is the most secure). That does not mean
it is perfect though. You will have some culture
shock.
And its UI's are now superior to Windows and Mac,
except for gnome, which is too weird to use.
Plus, you can download Live spins of Linux onto a flash
drive and play around with all the different UI to
your heart's content.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
It is also good to at least one live USB around to rescue
Windows. I do it at customer sites all the time.
But here is the thing. When choosing an OS,
first choose your software, then find what OS it
runs on. Windows may be junk, but it has won the
application wars. And! Windows can be made
far more reliable if you know how and you will
never get to meet its problems.
Check out Tiny-11. It is awesome and almost as
fast as Linux. Download a browser to flash drive
first as Tiny-11 does not come with a browser.
(Yes, M$ lies their asses off about Edge being
necessary to the functioning of Windows.)
Tiny-11 is Windows 11 without the spying, one drive,
Edge, stupid hardware requirements, preinstall trash,
etc.. And you can put whatever crap you want back on
if you wish.
The worst mistake you can make is making the choice
of OS an emotional/religious decision. Being
a "fanboi" is a stupid decision.
-T (T/Mr.T/Todd/Dude/His Resplendence)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 08:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <r3ba3lxnpe.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #15472 |
On 2024-12-18 03:21, T wrote: > Check out Tiny-11. It is awesome and almost as You forget to put a link to it. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 23:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vjtv7c$264rd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15475 |
On 12/17/24 23:44, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2024-12-18 03:21, T wrote: >> Check out Tiny-11. It is awesome and almost as > > You forget to put a link to it. Ooops! And no spyware account either! https://www.auslogics.com/en/articles/what-is-tiny11-install-tiny-windows-11-to-lightweight-your-os/ https://archive.org/details/tiny11-2311 https://archive.org/download/tiny11-2311
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 00:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vjtvi9$264rd$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15477 |
On 12/17/24 23:56, T wrote: > On 12/17/24 23:44, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2024-12-18 03:21, T wrote: >>> Check out Tiny-11. It is awesome and almost as >> >> You forget to put a link to it. > > Ooops! > > And no spyware account either! > > https://www.auslogics.com/en/articles/what-is-tiny11-install-tiny- > windows-11-to-lightweight-your-os/ > > https://archive.org/details/tiny11-2311 > > https://archive.org/download/tiny11-2311 It does not come with a browser. If you forget to preposition a browser, this will get you one. curl.exe -L "https://referrals.brave.com/latest/BraveBrowserSetup-BRV030.exe" --output "BraveBrowserSetup-BRV030.exe"
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-18 01:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vjtoib$266fl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15470 |
On Tue, 12/17/2024 7:47 PM, Undecided User wrote:
> On 17/12/2024 22:26, T wrote:
>> On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will
>>> Ubuntu-based distributions
>>
>> Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other
>> better distros now. Fedora for instance.
>>
>
> When you say something is better, can you define what criteria you use
> to come to this decision?
>
> I always thought that Linux is Linux with a different lipstick to make
> it look different.
>
Ubuntu is the product of Canonical. Canonical is not traded on
the stock market. It is a private firm, mostly funded from the
private fortune of Mark Shuttleworth.
Mark Shuttleworth wants to retire. He wants his money back.
He's poured a lot of money into that company.
He wanted to do an IPO (Initial Public Offering). A couple
potential investors explained to him during this period, that
they were not currently interested in the company, but
if Mark did "this and that" to the company, they would be
interested. By doing an IPO and trading on the stock market,
Mark could at least extract his money, without making
a huge huge fortune while doing so. He might be able to
manage to recover what he has spent. Canonical is not
a "strong play". The investors will not be "flies on honey",
it will be a relatively quiet IPO.
He tries to emulate Red Hat a bit, in doing service
contracts for people. He promotes "Ubuntu Pro" by giving
that away to home users, in the hope of promoting it.
*******
One of the side effects of this "business chat" above, is
it has affected the desktop code, appearance and behavior.
The focus of the product, is no longer "the best possible
user experience". It's a product that promotes servicing
for a rental fee (maybe $100 a year, not really sure). As
users, we are all the time seeing things we would rather not
see ("SNAPS"). which is why, some OTHER distro, where the focus is
NOT the business chat above, is better suited to our needs.
For example, a 6GB DVD image, once the Ubuntu install finishes,
it has practically no utilities on board... because of the
huge space wasted by... SNAPS. The Gnome Desktop, to handcuff
the user, is a giant fucking SNAP.
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
Zorin, for example, is a copy of Ubuntu. But with some
amount of tuning to make it less obnoxious. There is a
Free ("Lite") version of Zorin and a paid version. But it
still likely has SNAPS in it, and that means I would never
use it as a daily driver. Zorin is roughly 40% of the way
down The Map. Zorin and Ubuntu are descendants of Debian.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/2023_Linux_Distributions_Timeline.svg
Some distros, were done by one person. The early Knoppix DVDs,
those were done by Klaus himself. Today, he has visible help,
and doesn't have to do as much of the grunt-work. Klaus may
have played a part in SquashFS for example, so he invented some
things he put in the distro. SquashFS is a compressing file system
used for Linux DVDs (in the same way as Microsoft compresses
the content of its DVDs).
Some other distro leaders are like that. One is a Python developer,
and some of the utilities were created by him. As a result,
some distros are "personal" and have flesh invested in them.
Others are just commercial re-packaging efforts. And they all
live on that Map. It's up to the user to discover the
salient characteristics and make wise consumer choices.
Paul
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| From | T <T@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-17 23:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vjtv4g$264rd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15474 |
On 12/17/24 22:02, Paul wrote: > Ubuntu is the product of Canonical. Canonical is not traded on > the stock market. It is a private firm, mostly funded from the > private fortune of Mark Shuttleworth. > > Mark Shuttleworth wants to retire. He wants his money back. > He's poured a lot of money into that company. > > He wanted to do an IPO (Initial Public Offering). That explains a lot!
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| From | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-12-18 08:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <LiA8P.39331$ZAue.7562@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #15474 |
Le 2024-12-18 à 01:02, Paul a écrit :
> On Tue, 12/17/2024 7:47 PM, Undecided User wrote:
>> On 17/12/2024 22:26, T wrote:
>>> On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>> And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will
>>>> Ubuntu-based distributions
>>>
>>> Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other
>>> better distros now. Fedora for instance.
>>>
>>
>> When you say something is better, can you define what criteria you use
>> to come to this decision?
>>
>> I always thought that Linux is Linux with a different lipstick to make
>> it look different.
>>
>
> Ubuntu is the product of Canonical. Canonical is not traded on
> the stock market. It is a private firm, mostly funded from the
> private fortune of Mark Shuttleworth.
>
> Mark Shuttleworth wants to retire. He wants his money back.
> He's poured a lot of money into that company.
He might as well have put that money in a hole, doused it in petrol and
thrown a lit match.
> He wanted to do an IPO (Initial Public Offering). A couple
> potential investors explained to him during this period, that
> they were not currently interested in the company, but
> if Mark did "this and that" to the company, they would be
> interested. By doing an IPO and trading on the stock market,
> Mark could at least extract his money, without making
> a huge huge fortune while doing so. He might be able to
> manage to recover what he has spent. Canonical is not
> a "strong play". The investors will not be "flies on honey",
> it will be a relatively quiet IPO.
>
> He tries to emulate Red Hat a bit, in doing service
> contracts for people. He promotes "Ubuntu Pro" by giving
> that away to home users, in the hope of promoting it.
Regardless of how people feel about Ubuntu, I truly believe that much of
Linux wouldn't be approachable today were it not for the efforts of
Ubuntu back in the 2000s. People also don't like Snap, but it is
objectively superior to Flatpak.
> *******
>
> One of the side effects of this "business chat" above, is
> it has affected the desktop code, appearance and behavior.
> The focus of the product, is no longer "the best possible
> user experience". It's a product that promotes servicing
> for a rental fee (maybe $100 a year, not really sure). As
> users, we are all the time seeing things we would rather not
> see ("SNAPS"). which is why, some OTHER distro, where the focus is
> NOT the business chat above, is better suited to our needs.
> For example, a 6GB DVD image, once the Ubuntu install finishes,
> it has practically no utilities on board... because of the
> huge space wasted by... SNAPS. The Gnome Desktop, to handcuff
> the user, is a giant fucking SNAP.
>
> Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
> ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
> about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
> launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no longer
feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
< snip >
CrudeSausage
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