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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.os.windows-10 |
| Subject | Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update |
| Date | 2024-12-18 01:02 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vjtoib$266fl$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On Tue, 12/17/2024 7:47 PM, Undecided User wrote:
> On 17/12/2024 22:26, T wrote:
>> On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will
>>> Ubuntu-based distributions
>>
>> Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other
>> better distros now. Fedora for instance.
>>
>
> When you say something is better, can you define what criteria you use
> to come to this decision?
>
> I always thought that Linux is Linux with a different lipstick to make
> it look different.
>
Ubuntu is the product of Canonical. Canonical is not traded on
the stock market. It is a private firm, mostly funded from the
private fortune of Mark Shuttleworth.
Mark Shuttleworth wants to retire. He wants his money back.
He's poured a lot of money into that company.
He wanted to do an IPO (Initial Public Offering). A couple
potential investors explained to him during this period, that
they were not currently interested in the company, but
if Mark did "this and that" to the company, they would be
interested. By doing an IPO and trading on the stock market,
Mark could at least extract his money, without making
a huge huge fortune while doing so. He might be able to
manage to recover what he has spent. Canonical is not
a "strong play". The investors will not be "flies on honey",
it will be a relatively quiet IPO.
He tries to emulate Red Hat a bit, in doing service
contracts for people. He promotes "Ubuntu Pro" by giving
that away to home users, in the hope of promoting it.
*******
One of the side effects of this "business chat" above, is
it has affected the desktop code, appearance and behavior.
The focus of the product, is no longer "the best possible
user experience". It's a product that promotes servicing
for a rental fee (maybe $100 a year, not really sure). As
users, we are all the time seeing things we would rather not
see ("SNAPS"). which is why, some OTHER distro, where the focus is
NOT the business chat above, is better suited to our needs.
For example, a 6GB DVD image, once the Ubuntu install finishes,
it has practically no utilities on board... because of the
huge space wasted by... SNAPS. The Gnome Desktop, to handcuff
the user, is a giant fucking SNAP.
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
Zorin, for example, is a copy of Ubuntu. But with some
amount of tuning to make it less obnoxious. There is a
Free ("Lite") version of Zorin and a paid version. But it
still likely has SNAPS in it, and that means I would never
use it as a daily driver. Zorin is roughly 40% of the way
down The Map. Zorin and Ubuntu are descendants of Debian.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/2023_Linux_Distributions_Timeline.svg
Some distros, were done by one person. The early Knoppix DVDs,
those were done by Klaus himself. Today, he has visible help,
and doesn't have to do as much of the grunt-work. Klaus may
have played a part in SquashFS for example, so he invented some
things he put in the distro. SquashFS is a compressing file system
used for Linux DVDs (in the same way as Microsoft compresses
the content of its DVDs).
Some other distro leaders are like that. One is a Python developer,
and some of the utilities were created by him. As a result,
some distros are "personal" and have flesh invested in them.
Others are just commercial re-packaging efforts. And they all
live on that Map. It's up to the user to discover the
salient characteristics and make wise consumer choices.
Paul
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Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-12-17 13:28 +0000
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Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:10 -0500
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:26 -0800
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Undecided User <spam-here@linux.org> - 2024-12-18 00:47 +0000
Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800
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Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 08:42 -0500
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