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  Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro scbs29 <scbs29@fred.talktalk.net> - 2025-04-30 11:44 +0100
    Re: Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro Shinji Ikari <shinji@gmx.net> - 2025-04-30 12:55 +0200
    Re: Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-04-30 13:04 +0100
      Re: Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro scbs29 <scbs29@fred.talktalk.net> - 2025-04-30 14:37 +0100
        Re: Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-30 18:03 +0000
    Re: Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-30 09:49 -0500
    Re: Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-30 11:19 -0400
    Re: Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-01 00:11 -0400

#18830 — Change from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro

Hello all
I am seriously considering upgrading from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro. I wish to use the WIndows Update to do this
since some of the software installed on my pc is no longer available.
I have used the PC Health Check and am told my pc does not meet Win 11 requirements
only because I need to support Secure Boot. Since I use Win 10 my boot option is set to 
Legacy. It seems to be a straightforward process to change to EUFI boot, but I gather that
Win 11 may complain about certain software.
Is there any way of finding out what, if any, software that I have installed may cause problems
when upgrading? All software installed runs fine on Win 10, but does this mean that it will run on
Win 11 ?
Any advice gratefully received before I start the change.
TIA

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#18831

Hello.

scbs29 <scbs29@fred.talktalk.net> schrieb

>All software installed runs fine on Win 10, but does this mean that it will run on
>Win 11 ?

You will just have to try.

>Any advice gratefully received before I start the change.

Make a backup (or better a complete image of the Win10 machine) so you
can roll back if you encounter win11 problems.

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#18832

scbs29 wrote:
> Hello all
> I am seriously considering upgrading from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro. I wish to use the WIndows Update to do this
> since some of the software installed on my pc is no longer available.
> I have used the PC Health Check and am told my pc does not meet Win 11 requirements
> only because I need to support Secure Boot. Since I use Win 10 my boot option is set to
> Legacy. It seems to be a straightforward process to change to EUFI boot, but I gather that
> Win 11 may complain about certain software.
> Is there any way of finding out what, if any, software that I have installed may cause problems
> when upgrading? All software installed runs fine on Win 10, but does this mean that it will run on
> Win 11 ?
> Any advice gratefully received before I start the change.

Get a completely new W11 machine.

Try to install all your software.  If any install fails you still have 
the old W10 machine to work with.

Then look for an alternative to the failing software so that you have a 
sensible progression when the W10 machine finally fails.

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Graham J

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#18836

Thankyou for your reply
Unfortunately, a new machine is not an option. 
Some of my software was through GiveAwayof the Day when you can only install on the day you get it. 
Other stuff was free at the time but not now. Others are no  longer available because the producers have
gone out of business. Newer versions of some are subscription only. I do not buy on subscription.
All of my software was bought and paid for, it does the job so I dont wish to pay a subscription
for software which I have already bought. Also in my experience, new versions may not have the functionality
of the older version. 
All of these I use on a daily basis. 

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 13:04:32 +0100, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

>scbs29 wrote:
>> Hello all
>> I am seriously considering upgrading from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro. I wish to use the WIndows Update to do this
>> since some of the software installed on my pc is no longer available.
>> I have used the PC Health Check and am told my pc does not meet Win 11 requirements
>> only because I need to support Secure Boot. Since I use Win 10 my boot option is set to
>> Legacy. It seems to be a straightforward process to change to EUFI boot, but I gather that
>> Win 11 may complain about certain software.
>> Is there any way of finding out what, if any, software that I have installed may cause problems
>> when upgrading? All software installed runs fine on Win 10, but does this mean that it will run on
>> Win 11 ?
>> Any advice gratefully received before I start the change.
>
>Get a completely new W11 machine.
>
>Try to install all your software.  If any install fails you still have 
>the old W10 machine to work with.
>
>Then look for an alternative to the failing software so that you have a 
>sensible progression when the W10 machine finally fails.

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#18851

scbs29 <scbs29@fred.talktalk.net> wrote:
> Thankyou for your reply
> Unfortunately, a new machine is not an option. 
> Some of my software was through GiveAwayof the Day when you can only
> install on the day you get it. 
> Other stuff was free at the time but not now. Others are no  longer
> available because the producers have gone out of business. Newer
> versions of some are subscription only. I do not buy on subscription.
> All of my software was bought and paid for, it does the job so I dont
> wish to pay a subscription for software which I have already bought.
> Also in my experience, new versions may not have the functionality of
> the older version. 
> All of these I use on a daily basis. 

  Do you have the install packages of all this software (i.e. not just
the installed version/files)?

  Anyway, as you don't have another system to keep as a backup, make an
image backup of your Windows 10 system and then (try to) upgrade to
Windows 11. If (some of) your software doesn't work on Windows 11, you
can restore the Windows 10 image. Of course any work you did in the
meantime will be lost, but old your old programs and files will still be
there.

  That said: I upgraded my wife's system from Windows 8.1 to 10 (just
after Windows 8.1 went out of support) and all old software still
worked. For my new system, I installed Windows 11 from scratch and then
re-installed all the software I had on my previous Windows 8.1 system,
everything worked (and some of the software is over 20 years old).

[...]

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#18838

scbs29 <scbs29@fred.talktalk.net> wrote:

> I am seriously considering upgrading from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro. I wish to use the WIndows Update to do this
> since some of the software installed on my pc is no longer available.
> I have used the PC Health Check and am told my pc does not meet Win 11 requirements
> only because I need to support Secure Boot. Since I use Win 10 my boot option is set to 
> Legacy. It seems to be a straightforward process to change to EUFI boot, but I gather that
> Win 11 may complain about certain software.
> Is there any way of finding out what, if any, software that I have installed may cause problems
> when upgrading? All software installed runs fine on Win 10, but does this mean that it will run on
> Win 11 ?

Hard to say without knowing what software you have, and having
experience with it.

For example, I have a streaming capture program that, for some reason,
is not as effective if Secure Boot is enabled.  It reverts to some
lesser capable method of capture.  I don't need Secure Boot at all, so
when I enabled Secure Boot, and the software told me it had to revert to
a lesser method because of Secure Boot, I disabled Secure Boot since it
was just an experiment.

https://jaksta.com/support/windows/kb/guide/user-guide-jaksta-media-recorder-for-windows-v6-24000084846

  Audio recording method
  Application: In the Application recording method, audio is directly 
  pulled out of running applications. ... Windows 8 users will need to 
  have Secure Boot disabled in their UEFI BIOS for this recording method 
  to work.

  DISABLING SECURE BOOT ON WINDOWS OR GREATER SYSTEMS
  The Application recording mode requires Secure Boot to be disabled on 
  Windows 8 systems. The benefit of the Applicationrecording mode is 
  that each audio source can be isolated, providing a clean recording. 
  You can still recording in Stereo Mixmode without disabling Secure 
  Boot, but then the recordings might overlap with other audio playing 
  on your computer, such as system sounds. You will need to be careful 
  to turn off system sounds and not have any other audio play during a 
  recording.

https://jaksta.com/support/windows/technical/jaksta-media-recorder/jaksta-media-recorder-2022-release-24000020502

  New Digital Audio Recording Method

  JMR 7 used the Application audio recording method by default.  This   
  uses a process called injection to attach to an application to capture 
  its audio. Many web browsers now reject dll injection.  Injection also 
  requires your computer to have secure boot switched off in your 
  computers BIOS.  

  The new Digital audio recording method is now selected by default.  It 
  doesn't have any of the cfg issues described above.  

  The Application method has been removed.
  
I did not know about this at first.  I had been using jaksta Media
Recorder for years, decided to play with Secure Boot, and got a message
on starting it that Secure Boot required a less capable capture method.
Since Secure Boot was nonessential to me, poof, it got disabled.

In my case, disabling Secure Boot failed during the process leaving the
motherboard unusable.  After a couple days of working with Asrock techs
where they couldn't resuscitate the mobo, they decided to do an exchange
(I pay for a replacement mobo, they send it, I send back the screwed
mobo, and they refund).

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/disabling-secure-boot?view=windows-11

Despite what the wizard told you, Secure Boot is *not* required to
install Windows 11.  Secure Boot capable is not the same as Secure Boot
required.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-and-secure-boot-a8ff1202-c0d9-42f5-940f-843abef64fad
"While the requirement to upgrade a Windows 10 device to Windows 11 is
only that the PC be Secure Boot capable by having UEFI/BIOS enabled, you
may also consider enabling or turning Secure Boot on for better
security."

Windows 11 System Requirements
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-system-requirements-86c11283-ea52-4782-9efd-7674389a7ba3
System Firmware
UEFI (for Unified Extensible Firmware Interface, a modern version of the
PC BIOS) and Secure Boot capable. 
                         ^^^^^^^
                         
Just what mandates you MUST upgrade from 10 to 11?  What hardware or
software do you have, er, want to have that requires 11?

While the expectation was Windows 12 was coming out this coming October
(when Windows 10 support ends), Microsoft said they will instead rollout
a feature update, and Windows 12 comes out later (no announcement date).
Just because a product is no longer supported does not make it
self-destruct to become unusable.  I have a 23-year old car that is
obviously way out of warranty, but it is still very much usable.

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#18840

On 4/30/2025 6:44 AM, scbs29 wrote:
> Hello all
> I am seriously considering upgrading from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro. I wish to use the WIndows Update to do this
> since some of the software installed on my pc is no longer available.
> I have used the PC Health Check and am told my pc does not meet Win 11 requirements
> only because I need to support Secure Boot. Since I use Win 10 my boot option is set to
> Legacy. It seems to be a straightforward process to change to EUFI boot, but I gather that
> Win 11 may complain about certain software.
> Is there any way of finding out what, if any, software that I have installed may cause problems
> when upgrading? All software installed runs fine on Win 10, but does this mean that it will run on
> Win 11 ?
> Any advice gratefully received before I start the change.
> TIA
> 

    If it were me I'd look into this further. I recently updated
a Win10 install to 11 using an ISO offline, put on a USB
stick with Rufus. I never enable secure boot, so I think I
had it disabled. I don't recall whether removing that
requirement is an option with Rufus, but it might be.

  Sorry I can't be more definitive. I've only followed these issues
with partial interest, but I have noticed that there seem to be
lots of ways around the limitations.

   One thing I've found, though, is that Microsoft don't want
people messing around anymore. If you want their updates
then it's best to play by their rules. I block updates and MS
generally from my computers now, so I can tweak as I like.
(The Win11 update I did was before I started tweaking.) But
if you really want Win11 and updates then eventually you
may have to stop making your own choices and do as they
tell you.

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#18862

On Wed, 4/30/2025 6:44 AM, scbs29 wrote:
> Hello all
> I am seriously considering upgrading from Win 10 Pro to Win 11 Pro. I wish to use the WIndows Update to do this
> since some of the software installed on my pc is no longer available.
> I have used the PC Health Check and am told my pc does not meet Win 11 requirements
> only because I need to support Secure Boot. Since I use Win 10 my boot option is set to 
> Legacy. It seems to be a straightforward process to change to EUFI boot, but I gather that
> Win 11 may complain about certain software.
> Is there any way of finding out what, if any, software that I have installed may cause problems
> when upgrading? All software installed runs fine on Win 10, but does this mean that it will run on
> Win 11 ?
> Any advice gratefully received before I start the change.
> TIA
> 

The only thing that blocked my progress some time ago,
was VirtualBox 5 was not Inverted-Hypervisor-compatible,
and installing VirtualBox 6 allowed some OS Upgrade to move
forward.

But the job of preparing old disk setups (assuming you have
a TPM), is not for the faint of heart.

   [Picture]   Download original file (using the button) for highest resolution

    https://i.postimg.cc/d12yNSg7/preparing-disk-for-W11-adventures.gif

MBR2GPT.exe (on your C drive), can take a three partition MSDOS partitioned
disk and convert it to a GPT partitioned disk. Initially, MBR2GPT pretended
it could not find my OS partitions, which was bullshit. It was actually
unable to find reagentc and the location of WinRE.wim for emergency boot.
which is not all that important, when Microsoft leaves it broken
right after a fresh install. There's a good chance yours is disabled too.

   reagentc /info

Once the Recovery partition has a valid WinRE.wim in it and the XML file,
then the MBR2GPT program can do its thing.

  Paul

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