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  Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 16:39 -0700
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 09:52 -0400
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "Allan Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> - 2025-08-10 09:37 -0500
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:14 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-10 18:03 +0100
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:05 -0700
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-10 14:35 +0000
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:44 +0200
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:09 -0700
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 07:03 +0000
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-12 14:31 -0400
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 17:02 -0700
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:47 +0000
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:47 +0000
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-13 03:21 -0400
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:50 +0200
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:56 -0400
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-11 15:10 +0200
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 17:34 -0400
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-13 21:33 +0200
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:11 -0700
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 23:08 -0400
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:37 -0700
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 04:27 -0400
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 02:46 -0700
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-11 15:13 +0200
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 17:46 -0400
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-15 17:26 +0200
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 00:21 +0100
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-15 19:29 -0500
                  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 15:27 +0100
                    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 23:44 -0400
                      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 13:19 +0100
                        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 13:38 -0400
                    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-18 15:58 +0200
                      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-18 12:58 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-18 15:56 +0200
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-08-15 21:38 +0000
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-15 18:16 -0400
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:02 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-25 16:14 +0100
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-25 19:09 +0000
                  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 16:52 -0400
                    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-25 22:23 +0000
                      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 23:26 -0400
                        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-26 08:46 -0400
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Windows X-Lite <Windows-X-Lite@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 04:50 +0000
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 22:21 -0700
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Windows X-Lite <Windows-X-Lite@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:40 +0000
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-19 12:02 +0000
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 23:46 +1000

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#186596 — Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience

Hi W10 and W11 folks,

I just updated my first customer under Payment Card
Industry (PCI) requirements to have a support operating
system from Windows 11.  And, of curse, it was a perfectly
good computer that did not meet M$ ridiculous hardware
requirements.

I was so uneventful that I almost fell asleep.

First I created an ISO of the latest Windows 11
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
with Rufus, removing the silly hardware and account requirements
    https://rufus.ie/
    https://rufus.akeo.ie/

Then I copied the ISO to the user's data drive.
 From the file manager, I doubled clicked on the ISO and
mounted it as a read only drive.  Then clicked on
setup.

The rest was boring.

After completion, I check and network mounting of file shared
and printers till worked.  Even QuickBooks networked fine.
How about that!

Some clean up I did have to do was:
[1] restored the classic right click context menu

  
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/restore-legacy-right-click-menu-for-file-explorer/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a

     reg.exe add 
"HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" 
/f /ve

Note: you have to reboot for it to take


[2] restore the missing Cascade Windows function:

<context.reg>
REGEDIT4

; place C:\NtUtil\cascade.exe into the right click context menu
; reference: 
https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to-customize-the-right-click-context-menu-in-windows-11/

; Note: you have to reboot for it to take

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Background\shell\Cascade Windows\Command]
@="C:\\NtUtil\\cascade.exe"
</context.reg>

I also made a short cut to cascade.exe on the task bar


[3] updated Shutup 10 to re-remove most telemetry
     https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

[4] rerun debloader.  Left M$'s pdf writer in place (sorry
I forgot the name), which is unfortunately required by Quickbooks
     https://github.com/builtbybel/Winpilot/releases

[5] updated Open Shell
     https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

[6] re-removed Microsoft Edge and Web View (they are a pain-in
the ass, especially Web View, to constantly update was required
by PCI).
    https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge

[7] configured the task bar.  Shut off widgets, shifted
to the right, removed the search bar.

    note: Open shell have a local search at the bottom.
          And M$'s search bar is spyware


Happy upgrading for those that choose to do so (it
has its pluses and minuses)!

-T

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#186618

On Sat, 8/9/2025 7:39 PM, T wrote:
> Hi W10 and W11 folks,
> 
> I just updated my first customer under Payment Card
> Industry (PCI) requirements to have a support operating
> system from Windows 11.  And, of curse, it was a perfectly
> good computer that did not meet M$ ridiculous hardware
> requirements.
> 
> I was so uneventful that I almost fell asleep.
> 
> First I created an ISO of the latest Windows 11
>    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
> with Rufus, removing the silly hardware and account requirements
>    https://rufus.ie/
>    https://rufus.akeo.ie/
> 
> Then I copied the ISO to the user's data drive.
> From the file manager, I doubled clicked on the ISO and
> mounted it as a read only drive.  Then clicked on
> setup.
> 
> The rest was boring.
> 
> After completion, I check and network mounting of file shared
> and printers till worked.  Even QuickBooks networked fine.
> How about that!
> 
> Some clean up I did have to do was:
> [1] restored the classic right click context menu
> 
>  
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/restore-legacy-right-click-menu-for-file-explorer/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a
> 
>     reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
> 
> Note: you have to reboot for it to take
> 
> 
> [2] restore the missing Cascade Windows function:
> 
> <context.reg>
> REGEDIT4
> 
> ; place C:\NtUtil\cascade.exe into the right click context menu
> ; reference: https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to-customize-the-right-click-context-menu-in-windows-11/
> 
> ; Note: you have to reboot for it to take
> 
> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Background\shell\Cascade Windows\Command]
> @="C:\\NtUtil\\cascade.exe"
> </context.reg>
> 
> I also made a short cut to cascade.exe on the task bar
> 
> 
> [3] updated Shutup 10 to re-remove most telemetry
>     https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
> 
> [4] rerun debloader.  Left M$'s pdf writer in place (sorry
> I forgot the name), which is unfortunately required by Quickbooks
>     https://github.com/builtbybel/Winpilot/releases
> 
> [5] updated Open Shell
>     https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases
> 
> [6] re-removed Microsoft Edge and Web View (they are a pain-in
> the ass, especially Web View, to constantly update was required
> by PCI).
>    https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge
> 
> [7] configured the task bar.  Shut off widgets, shifted
> to the right, removed the search bar.
> 
>    note: Open shell have a local search at the bottom.
>          And M$'s search bar is spyware
> 
> 
> Happy upgrading for those that choose to do so (it
> has its pluses and minuses)!
> 
> -T

Did you really remove WebView2 ?

Won't that affect some Metro.Apps ?

MSEdge and WebView2 should be constantly updating themselves anyway.
The tough part, is finding a decent quality .log which records
this properly. It's not clear why the MSEdge updating activity is
not a listed activity in the Reliability Monitor. The claim is that
MSEdge is a UWP (which is why at one time it ran in Windows 7), but
I don't know if that is a factor or not. There should be a version
for Linux, a version for MacOS, the one for Windows 7 would no
longer be available (because Chrome/Chromium doesn't support Win7 either).

Looking at some files and dates using Agent Ransack, these are
some sample dates on the files. It kinda looks like a monthly update
pattern at a guess. The software is likely checking for updates
at a higher frequency than that (it has to be checking daily, as
part of being a Startup item in the likes of Task Scheduler or something).

5/13   90 MB   msedge.dll (webview2 package in WinSxS)
6/10   91 MB   msedge.dll (webview2 package in WinSxS)
7/8   271 MB   msedge.dll (webview2 package in WinSxS)
8/7   275 MB   msedge.dll (webview2 package in WinSxS)

   Paul

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#186622

On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 08:52:39 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 8/9/2025 7:39 PM, T wrote:
>> Hi W10 and W11 folks,
>>
>> I just updated my first customer under Payment Card
>> Industry (PCI) requirements to have a support operating
>> system from Windows 11.  And, of curse, it was a perfectly
>> good computer that did not meet M$ ridiculous hardware
>> requirements.
>>
>> I was so uneventful that I almost fell asleep.
>>
>> First I created an ISO of the latest Windows 11
>>    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
>> with Rufus, removing the silly hardware and account requirements
>>    https://rufus.ie/
>>    https://rufus.akeo.ie/
>>
>> Then I copied the ISO to the user's data drive.
>> From the file manager, I doubled clicked on the ISO and
>> mounted it as a read only drive.  Then clicked on
>> setup.
>>
>> The rest was boring.
>>
>> After completion, I check and network mounting of file shared
>> and printers till worked.  Even QuickBooks networked fine.
>> How about that!
>>
>> Some clean up I did have to do was:
>> [1] restored the classic right click context menu
>>
>>  https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/restore-legacy-right-click-menu-for-file-explorer/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a
>>
>>     reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
>>
>> Note: you have to reboot for it to take
>>
>>
>> [2] restore the missing Cascade Windows function:
>>
>> <context.reg>
>> REGEDIT4
>>
>> ; place C:\NtUtil\cascade.exe into the right click context menu
>> ; reference: https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to-customize-the-right-click-context-menu-in-windows-11/
>>
>> ; Note: you have to reboot for it to take
>>
>> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Background\shell\Cascade Windows\Command]
>> @="C:\\NtUtil\\cascade.exe"
>> </context.reg>
>>
>> I also made a short cut to cascade.exe on the task bar
>>
>>
>> [3] updated Shutup 10 to re-remove most telemetry
>>     https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
>>
>> [4] rerun debloader.  Left M$'s pdf writer in place (sorry
>> I forgot the name), which is unfortunately required by Quickbooks
>>     https://github.com/builtbybel/Winpilot/releases
>>
>> [5] updated Open Shell
>>     https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases
>>
>> [6] re-removed Microsoft Edge and Web View (they are a pain-in
>> the ass, especially Web View, to constantly update was required
>> by PCI).
>>    https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge
>>
>> [7] configured the task bar.  Shut off widgets, shifted
>> to the right, removed the search bar.
>>
>>    note: Open shell have a local search at the bottom.
>>          And M$'s search bar is spyware
>>
>>
>> Happy upgrading for those that choose to do so (it
>> has its pluses and minuses)!
>>
>> -T
>
> Did you really remove WebView2 ?
>
> Won't that affect some Metro.Apps ?
>


According to the Remove-MS-Edge Web site that T posted,
https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge
these require WebView2

- Eclipse IDEs
- Gmpublisher (Garry's Mod)
- ImageGlass
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Microsoft Photos App (Edit)
- PowerToys File Explorer add-ons utility
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App

I remove WebView2 myself, since my upgrade to Windows 11 in May.
It hasn't affected me in the least.

For reinstalls, the latest version can always be downloaded with this direct link.
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=2124701


> MSEdge and WebView2 should be constantly updating themselves anyway.
> The tough part, is finding a decent quality .log which records
> this properly. It's not clear why the MSEdge updating activity is
> not a listed activity in the Reliability Monitor. The claim is that
> MSEdge is a UWP (which is why at one time it ran in Windows 7), but
> I don't know if that is a factor or not. There should be a version
> for Linux, a version for MacOS, the one for Windows 7 would no
> longer be available (because Chrome/Chromium doesn't support Win7 either).
>
> Looking at some files and dates using Agent Ransack, these are
> some sample dates on the files. It kinda looks like a monthly update
> pattern at a guess. The software is likely checking for updates
> at a higher frequency than that (it has to be checking daily, as
> part of being a Startup item in the likes of Task Scheduler or something).
>
> 5/13   90 MB   msedge.dll (webview2 package in WinSxS)
> 6/10   91 MB   msedge.dll (webview2 package in WinSxS)
> 7/8   271 MB   msedge.dll (webview2 package in WinSxS)
> 8/7   275 MB   msedge.dll (webview2 package in WinSxS)
>
>    Paul

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#186644

On 8/10/25 7:37 AM, Allan Higdon wrote:
> According to the Remove-MS-Edge Web site that T posted,
> https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge
> these require WebView2
> 
> - Eclipse IDEs
> - Gmpublisher (Garry's Mod)
> - ImageGlass
> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
> - Microsoft Photos App (Edit)
> - PowerToys File Explorer add-ons utility
> - Quicken
> - Windows Mail
> - Xbox App

Add Storables' "Site Link" to the pile.

I will be forever pissed at them for doing that.

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#186625

On 2025/8/10 14:52:39, Paul wrote:
[]

> pattern at a guess. The software is likely checking for updates
> at a higher frequency than that (it has to be checking daily, as
> part of being a Startup item in the likes of Task Scheduler or something).

[]

That assumes you restart daily, of course.--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

When I'm good, I'm very good. But when I'm bad - I'm better! (Mae West)

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#186640

On 8/10/25 6:52 AM, Paul wrote:
> Did you really remove WebView2 ?

Yes

> Won't that affect some Metro.Apps ?

Not used

> MSEdge and WebView2 should be constantly updating themselves anyway.

Edge, most of the time.

WebView, only a couple of times, then you have to do it manually.
It is "suppose" to upgrade along with Edge.   HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
And it is not straight forward.  It is a an absolute pain in
the ass.

I use VulnDetect for identifying critical updates
https://secteer.com/vulndetect/

I do not rely on M$.

Speaking of pain-in-the-ass, here is my keeper on upgrading WebView:


Uninstall/Reinstall M$ Web View:

Reference(s):
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/1194589/uninstalling-webview2-version-111-0-1661-54-on-win

Product Home Page:
    https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/

If reinstalling, download the above first (Evergreen Standalone 
Installer, usually x86)


** Shortcut: just run the reg below and then reinstall **

To uninstall WebView2 version 111.0.1661.54 and install an older version:

     Uninstall via Settings: Go to Settings > Apps > Apps & features, 
find Microsoft Edge WebView2 Runtime, and click Uninstall.

     Use Command Line: Try running the command as an admin if the 
setup.exe command doesn’t work:

     Cmd as admin:
       remove msedgeveiw entries from the registry (regedit, search)
       reg delete 
HKLM\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\EdgeUpdate\Clients\{F3017226-FE2A-4295-8BDF-00C3A9A7E4C5}

       cd "C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Microsoft\EdgeWebView\Application\1*\Installer"    if 32 bit
       setup.exe --uninstall --msedgewebview --system-level 
--verbose-logging --force-uninstall

Clean Up Residual Files: Check and delete any leftover folders in:

     del /s /q "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\EdgeWebView"
     del /s /q "C:\Program Files\Microsoft\EdgeWebView"



To Reinstall:
  
https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/?form=MA13LH#download-section

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#186621

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Hi W10 and W11 folks,
> 
> I just updated my first customer under Payment Card
> Industry (PCI) requirements to have a support operating
> system from Windows 11.  And, of curse, it was a perfectly
> good computer that did not meet M$ ridiculous hardware
> requirements.
> 
> I was so uneventful that I almost fell asleep.
> 
> First I created an ISO of the latest Windows 11
>    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
> with Rufus, removing the silly hardware and account requirements
>    https://rufus.ie/
>    https://rufus.akeo.ie/
> 
> Then I copied the ISO to the user's data drive.
> From the file manager, I doubled clicked on the ISO and
> mounted it as a read only drive.  Then clicked on
> setup.
> 
> The rest was boring.
> 
> After completion, I check and network mounting of file shared
> and printers till worked.  Even QuickBooks networked fine.
> How about that!
> 
> Some clean up I did have to do was:
> [1] restored the classic right click context menu
> 
>  
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/restore-legacy-right-click-menu-for-file-explorer/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a
> 
>     reg.exe add 
> "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" 
> /f /ve
> 
> Note: you have to reboot for it to take
> 
> 
> [2] restore the missing Cascade Windows function:
> 
> <context.reg>
> REGEDIT4
> 
> ; place C:\NtUtil\cascade.exe into the right click context menu
> ; reference: 
> https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to-customize-the-right-click-context-menu-in-windows-11/
> 
> ; Note: you have to reboot for it to take
> 
> [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\Background\shell\Cascade Windows\Command]
> @="C:\\NtUtil\\cascade.exe"
> </context.reg>
> 
> I also made a short cut to cascade.exe on the task bar
> 
> 
> [3] updated Shutup 10 to re-remove most telemetry
>     https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
> 
> [4] rerun debloader.  Left M$'s pdf writer in place (sorry
> I forgot the name), which is unfortunately required by Quickbooks
>     https://github.com/builtbybel/Winpilot/releases
> 
> [5] updated Open Shell
>     https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases
> 
> [6] re-removed Microsoft Edge and Web View (they are a pain-in
> the ass, especially Web View, to constantly update was required
> by PCI).
>    https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge
> 
> [7] configured the task bar.  Shut off widgets, shifted
> to the right, removed the search bar.
> 
>    note: Open shell have a local search at the bottom.
>          And M$'s search bar is spyware
>

Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
insurance premiums are up-to-date. 

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#186633

On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
> insurance premiums are up-to-date. 

Wait, what?

-- 
s|b

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#186641

On 8/10/25 11:44 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
> 
>> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
>> insurance premiums are up-to-date.
> 
> Wait, what?
> 

Chris does not know what he is talking about.  PCI
"REQUIRES" you remove unused application.

Edge and WebView have nothing to do with security
anymore than all those stupid games M$ installs.

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#186702

s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
> 
>> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
>> insurance premiums are up-to-date. 
> 
> Wait, what?
> 

T has updated win11 on unsupported and incompatible hardware using third
party unsupported tools which manipulate windows 11 functionality. Any of
those steps could introduce vulnerabilities (i.e. no TPM) and could be
vectors for compromising the system.  An external audit of this system
would flag this and any financial loss could mean the bank comes after T. 

Of course he could and likely get away with it, but that doesn't mean this
isn't a risky practice for live financial systems. 

There are many examples where malware has of these types of gaps in the
security envelope. 

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#186720

On Tue, 8/12/2025 3:03 AM, Chris wrote:
> s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>
>>> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
>>> insurance premiums are up-to-date. 
>>
>> Wait, what?
>>
> 
> T has updated win11 on unsupported and incompatible hardware using third
> party unsupported tools which manipulate windows 11 functionality. Any of
> those steps could introduce vulnerabilities (i.e. no TPM) and could be
> vectors for compromising the system.  An external audit of this system
> would flag this and any financial loss could mean the bank comes after T. 
> 
> Of course he could and likely get away with it, but that doesn't mean this
> isn't a risky practice for live financial systems. 
> 
> There are many examples where malware has of these types of gaps in the
> security envelope. 
> 

There's a security envelope ?

*******

Being serious for a moment, the contractors at work who worked
for my company, they took refresher courses to make sure they
were up to speed on topics like this.

That's how they made sure, as a contractor, you were "getting
a quality job", is by taking refreshers.

If there is a topic with compliance issues, a course will
help keep you on the straight and narrow.

And my company, to encourage this practice, would also pay to have
them educated ($2K reimbursement for a recognized course, that's a typical
amount for a five day course). We had one employee who was a former RFT,
that came back as a contractor, and that's what they did for him. Even
though he was a contractor and "all he was worth was $XX per hour", they
still paid extra to keep him educated.

Because they would rather have an educated employee than an uneducated one.

The RFTs like me, were also taking course work. In some cases,
all the hardware engineers had to take the same course, so that
management could know we all had the same baseline on signal integrity issues
and emissions.

Education is important in every profession.

We also had fun courses. One of the guys in a support group for computers,
he took a course on "how to hack PCs", and in the lab, they would practice
tipping over PCs of adjacent students in the same room (over the network).
That's why I have the question about "security envelope". With that course,
it wasn't a matter of finding *a* way to tip over a computer, the lab
practice was to see "who could do it faster". That gives you some
idea just how "seecure" your computer is.

   Paul

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#186728

On 8/12/25 11:31 AM, Paul wrote:
> On Tue, 8/12/2025 3:03 AM, Chris wrote:
>> s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
>>>> insurance premiums are up-to-date.
>>>
>>> Wait, what?
>>>
>>
>> T has updated win11 on unsupported and incompatible hardware using third
>> party unsupported tools which manipulate windows 11 functionality. Any of
>> those steps could introduce vulnerabilities (i.e. no TPM) and could be
>> vectors for compromising the system.  An external audit of this system
>> would flag this and any financial loss could mean the bank comes after T.
>>
>> Of course he could and likely get away with it, but that doesn't mean this
>> isn't a risky practice for live financial systems.
>>
>> There are many examples where malware has of these types of gaps in the
>> security envelope.
>>
> 
> There's a security envelope ?
> 
> *******
> 
> Being serious for a moment, the contractors at work who worked
> for my company, they took refresher courses to make sure they
> were up to speed on topics like this.
> 
> That's how they made sure, as a contractor, you were "getting
> a quality job", is by taking refreshers.
> 
> If there is a topic with compliance issues, a course will
> help keep you on the straight and narrow.
> 
> And my company, to encourage this practice, would also pay to have
> them educated ($2K reimbursement for a recognized course, that's a typical
> amount for a five day course). We had one employee who was a former RFT,
> that came back as a contractor, and that's what they did for him. Even
> though he was a contractor and "all he was worth was $XX per hour", they
> still paid extra to keep him educated.
> 
> Because they would rather have an educated employee than an uneducated one.
> 
> The RFTs like me, were also taking course work. In some cases,
> all the hardware engineers had to take the same course, so that
> management could know we all had the same baseline on signal integrity issues
> and emissions.
> 
> Education is important in every profession.
> 
> We also had fun courses. One of the guys in a support group for computers,
> he took a course on "how to hack PCs", and in the lab, they would practice
> tipping over PCs of adjacent students in the same room (over the network).
> That's why I have the question about "security envelope". With that course,
> it wasn't a matter of finding *a* way to tip over a computer, the lab
> practice was to see "who could do it faster". That gives you some
> idea just how "seecure" your computer is.
> 
>     Paul

The FUD surrounding Chris' response is saddening.

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#186734

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 8/12/25 11:31 AM, Paul wrote:
>> On Tue, 8/12/2025 3:03 AM, Chris wrote:
>>> s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
>>>>> insurance premiums are up-to-date.
>>>> 
>>>> Wait, what?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> T has updated win11 on unsupported and incompatible hardware using third
>>> party unsupported tools which manipulate windows 11 functionality. Any of
>>> those steps could introduce vulnerabilities (i.e. no TPM) and could be
>>> vectors for compromising the system.  An external audit of this system
>>> would flag this and any financial loss could mean the bank comes after T.
>>> 
>>> Of course he could and likely get away with it, but that doesn't mean this
>>> isn't a risky practice for live financial systems.
>>> 
>>> There are many examples where malware has of these types of gaps in the
>>> security envelope.
>>> 
>> 
>> There's a security envelope ?
>> 
>> *******
>> 
>> Being serious for a moment, the contractors at work who worked
>> for my company, they took refresher courses to make sure they
>> were up to speed on topics like this.
>> 
>> That's how they made sure, as a contractor, you were "getting
>> a quality job", is by taking refreshers.
>> 
>> If there is a topic with compliance issues, a course will
>> help keep you on the straight and narrow.
>> 
>> And my company, to encourage this practice, would also pay to have
>> them educated ($2K reimbursement for a recognized course, that's a typical
>> amount for a five day course). We had one employee who was a former RFT,
>> that came back as a contractor, and that's what they did for him. Even
>> though he was a contractor and "all he was worth was $XX per hour", they
>> still paid extra to keep him educated.
>> 
>> Because they would rather have an educated employee than an uneducated one.
>> 
>> The RFTs like me, were also taking course work. In some cases,
>> all the hardware engineers had to take the same course, so that
>> management could know we all had the same baseline on signal integrity issues
>> and emissions.
>> 
>> Education is important in every profession.
>> 
>> We also had fun courses. One of the guys in a support group for computers,
>> he took a course on "how to hack PCs", and in the lab, they would practice
>> tipping over PCs of adjacent students in the same room (over the network).
>> That's why I have the question about "security envelope". With that course,
>> it wasn't a matter of finding *a* way to tip over a computer, the lab
>> practice was to see "who could do it faster". That gives you some
>> idea just how "seecure" your computer is.
>> 
>> Paul
> 
> The FUD surrounding Chris' response is saddening.

There's no FUD. Regulated industries are regulated for a reason. 

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#186733

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 8/12/2025 3:03 AM, Chris wrote:
>> s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
>>>> insurance premiums are up-to-date. 
>>> 
>>> Wait, what?
>>> 
>> 
>> T has updated win11 on unsupported and incompatible hardware using third
>> party unsupported tools which manipulate windows 11 functionality. Any of
>> those steps could introduce vulnerabilities (i.e. no TPM) and could be
>> vectors for compromising the system.  An external audit of this system
>> would flag this and any financial loss could mean the bank comes after T. 
>> 
>> Of course he could and likely get away with it, but that doesn't mean this
>> isn't a risky practice for live financial systems. 
>> 
>> There are many examples where malware has of these types of gaps in the
>> security envelope. 
>> 
> 
> There's a security envelope ?
> 
> *******
> 
> Being serious for a moment, the contractors at work who worked
> for my company, they took refresher courses to make sure they
> were up to speed on topics like this.
> 
> That's how they made sure, as a contractor, you were "getting
> a quality job", is by taking refreshers.

Correct. 

> If there is a topic with compliance issues, a course will
> help keep you on the straight and narrow.
> 
> And my company, to encourage this practice, would also pay to have
> them educated ($2K reimbursement for a recognized course, that's a typical
> amount for a five day course). We had one employee who was a former RFT,

What's an RFT?

> that came back as a contractor, and that's what they did for him. Even
> though he was a contractor and "all he was worth was $XX per hour", they
> still paid extra to keep him educated.
> 
> Because they would rather have an educated employee than an uneducated one.
> 
> The RFTs like me, were also taking course work. In some cases,
> all the hardware engineers had to take the same course, so that
> management could know we all had the same baseline on signal integrity issues
> and emissions.
> 
> Education is important in every profession.

Yup. 

> We also had fun courses. One of the guys in a support group for computers,
> he took a course on "how to hack PCs", and in the lab, they would practice
> tipping over PCs of adjacent students in the same room (over the network).
> That's why I have the question about "security envelope". 

It is simply any and all aspects which impact on overall security. From
hardware/software support to UAC and audit. All parts need to documented,
managed and maintained. You don't ignore one part because you don't like
it. 

In my industry you don't fuck around if you want to stay visible. 

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#186736

On Wed, 8/13/2025 2:47 AM, Chris wrote:

> 
> What's an RFT?

RFT is regular full time
PT is part time (1 to 20 hours per week)

At some places of employment, nobody at a low level
in the company is an RFT. By hiring as PT, there are
no benefits. Just your hourly pay.

Contractors are similar, in that there is no pension
or medical.

   Paul

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#186634

On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 16:39:48 -0700, T wrote:

> First I created an ISO of the latest Windows 11
>     https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
> with Rufus, removing the silly hardware and account requirements
>     https://rufus.ie/
>     https://rufus.akeo.ie/
> 
> Then I copied the ISO to the user's data drive.
>  From the file manager, I doubled clicked on the ISO and
> mounted it as a read only drive.  Then clicked on
> setup.
> 
> The rest was boring.

Didn't you get a warning about not receiving any updates? I followed the
same procedure in the past and the laptop in fact did get security
updates. But when I recently tried it I got a pop up window telling me
the device wouldn't get any updates.

The screenshot is in Dutch, but it basically says: '(hardware not
supported) if you continue your PC won't be supported any longer and
you're not entitled to updates'

<https://i.postimg.cc/YC3ffhS6/w11-noupdates.png>

Is it possible there would still be security updates, but not the
"bigger" updates, for instance 24H2 to 25H2?

-- 
s|b

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#186639

On Sun, 8/10/2025 2:50 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 16:39:48 -0700, T wrote:
> 
>> First I created an ISO of the latest Windows 11
>>     https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11
>> with Rufus, removing the silly hardware and account requirements
>>     https://rufus.ie/
>>     https://rufus.akeo.ie/
>>
>> Then I copied the ISO to the user's data drive.
>>  From the file manager, I doubled clicked on the ISO and
>> mounted it as a read only drive.  Then clicked on
>> setup.
>>
>> The rest was boring.
> 
> Didn't you get a warning about not receiving any updates? I followed the
> same procedure in the past and the laptop in fact did get security
> updates. But when I recently tried it I got a pop up window telling me
> the device wouldn't get any updates.
> 
> The screenshot is in Dutch, but it basically says: '(hardware not
> supported) if you continue your PC won't be supported any longer and
> you're not entitled to updates'
> 
> <https://i.postimg.cc/YC3ffhS6/w11-noupdates.png>
> 
> Is it possible there would still be security updates, but not the
> "bigger" updates, for instance 24H2 to 25H2?
> 

You must be new here :-)

Since when do you take scary dialog boxes as sincere efforts ???

   [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/j58pQDSY/W10-not-ready.gif

  Paul

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#186659

On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 20:56:35 -0400, Paul wrote:

> You must be new here :-)

I sometimes practice the art of diagonal reading, but it isn't all that.
 
> Since when do you take scary dialog boxes as sincere efforts ???
> 
>    [Picture]
> 
>     https://i.postimg.cc/j58pQDSY/W10-not-ready.gif

I can't really read what those windows say, but I'm pretty sure it's not
the same as what I got. Like I said: I upgraded a laptop from W10 to W11
and it got security updates. Tried to do the same for a PC not so long
ago and then got a window about updates not working. Found a site that
stated 'M$ changed something so it doesn't work anymore'.

I made a backup image of C:, but I don't want to go through all the
effort, just to restore the backup image.

-- 
s|b

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#186681

On Mon, 8/11/2025 9:10 AM, s|b wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 20:56:35 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> You must be new here :-)
> 
> I sometimes practice the art of diagonal reading, but it isn't all that.
>  
>> Since when do you take scary dialog boxes as sincere efforts ???
>>
>>    [Picture]
>>
>>     https://i.postimg.cc/j58pQDSY/W10-not-ready.gif
> 
> I can't really read what those windows say, but I'm pretty sure it's not
> the same as what I got. Like I said: I upgraded a laptop from W10 to W11
> and it got security updates. Tried to do the same for a PC not so long
> ago and then got a window about updates not working. Found a site that
> stated 'M$ changed something so it doesn't work anymore'.
> 
> I made a backup image of C:, but I don't want to go through all the
> effort, just to restore the backup image.
> 

You can use the "Download Original Image" button at the top of the page.
That may allow you to zoom in, using an image tool.

*******

You can attempt to use the Rufus.ie stick and run the Setup.exe on it
and do a Repair Install. There is a dialog with tick boxes, for switching
off the "dependencies" that Microsoft likes.

I have both licensed and unlicensed installs here, but I have not
done a "full matrix" test of all possible combinations. The machine used
in that picture, has no TPM, and the UEFI BIOS has code for a TPM 1.4
but not for a TPM 2.0 (and the manufacturer did not make a TPM 2.0 module
that plugs into that motherboard)

My Optiplex 780 refurb won't take Windows 11, because the E8400
processor does not have the POPCNT (population count) instruction
in SSE4. Rufus cannot fix that and the OS would crash if the
install were to be done. That is a technique used for crude AI implementations or something.
It's not exactly all that necessary for a computer to use.

My laptop doesn't have enough RAM any more, to do W10 Windows Update!
And that's one reason I haven't tried using the Rufus installer
on that machine. There isn't nearly enough RAM.

   Paul

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#186747

On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 17:34:40 -0400, Paul wrote:

> 
> You can use the "Download Original Image" button at the top of the page.
> That may allow you to zoom in, using an image tool.

Got it!

> You can attempt to use the Rufus.ie stick and run the Setup.exe on it
> and do a Repair Install. There is a dialog with tick boxes, for switching
> off the "dependencies" that Microsoft likes.

I might give it a go. My mother enjoys the company, so it's a win-win
actually. (-:

-- 
s|b

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