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Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience

From Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience
Date 2025-08-13 06:47 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 8/12/2025 3:03 AM, Chris wrote:
>> s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
>>>> insurance premiums are up-to-date. 
>>> 
>>> Wait, what?
>>> 
>> 
>> T has updated win11 on unsupported and incompatible hardware using third
>> party unsupported tools which manipulate windows 11 functionality. Any of
>> those steps could introduce vulnerabilities (i.e. no TPM) and could be
>> vectors for compromising the system.  An external audit of this system
>> would flag this and any financial loss could mean the bank comes after T. 
>> 
>> Of course he could and likely get away with it, but that doesn't mean this
>> isn't a risky practice for live financial systems. 
>> 
>> There are many examples where malware has of these types of gaps in the
>> security envelope. 
>> 
> 
> There's a security envelope ?
> 
> *******
> 
> Being serious for a moment, the contractors at work who worked
> for my company, they took refresher courses to make sure they
> were up to speed on topics like this.
> 
> That's how they made sure, as a contractor, you were "getting
> a quality job", is by taking refreshers.

Correct. 

> If there is a topic with compliance issues, a course will
> help keep you on the straight and narrow.
> 
> And my company, to encourage this practice, would also pay to have
> them educated ($2K reimbursement for a recognized course, that's a typical
> amount for a five day course). We had one employee who was a former RFT,

What's an RFT?

> that came back as a contractor, and that's what they did for him. Even
> though he was a contractor and "all he was worth was $XX per hour", they
> still paid extra to keep him educated.
> 
> Because they would rather have an educated employee than an uneducated one.
> 
> The RFTs like me, were also taking course work. In some cases,
> all the hardware engineers had to take the same course, so that
> management could know we all had the same baseline on signal integrity issues
> and emissions.
> 
> Education is important in every profession.

Yup. 

> We also had fun courses. One of the guys in a support group for computers,
> he took a course on "how to hack PCs", and in the lab, they would practice
> tipping over PCs of adjacent students in the same room (over the network).
> That's why I have the question about "security envelope". 

It is simply any and all aspects which impact on overall security. From
hardware/software support to UAC and audit. All parts need to documented,
managed and maintained. You don't ignore one part because you don't like
it. 

In my industry you don't fuck around if you want to stay visible.

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Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 16:39 -0700
  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 09:52 -0400
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "Allan Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> - 2025-08-10 09:37 -0500
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:14 -0700
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-10 18:03 +0100
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:05 -0700
  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-10 14:35 +0000
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:44 +0200
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:09 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 07:03 +0000
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-12 14:31 -0400
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 17:02 -0700
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:47 +0000
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:47 +0000
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-13 03:21 -0400
  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:50 +0200
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:56 -0400
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-11 15:10 +0200
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 17:34 -0400
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-13 21:33 +0200
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:11 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 23:08 -0400
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:37 -0700
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 04:27 -0400
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 02:46 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-11 15:13 +0200
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 17:46 -0400
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-15 17:26 +0200
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 00:21 +0100
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-15 19:29 -0500
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 15:27 +0100
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 23:44 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 13:19 +0100
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 13:38 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-18 15:58 +0200
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-18 12:58 -0400
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-18 15:56 +0200
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-08-15 21:38 +0000
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-15 18:16 -0400
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:02 -0400
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-25 16:14 +0100
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-25 19:09 +0000
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 16:52 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-25 22:23 +0000
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 23:26 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-26 08:46 -0400
  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Windows X-Lite <Windows-X-Lite@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 04:50 +0000
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 22:21 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Windows X-Lite <Windows-X-Lite@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:40 +0000
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-19 12:02 +0000
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 23:46 +1000

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