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Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience

From Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience
Date 2025-08-13 06:47 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <107hce4$3ogcu$2@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 8/12/25 11:31 AM, Paul wrote:
>> On Tue, 8/12/2025 3:03 AM, Chris wrote:
>>> s|b <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 14:35:53 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well done for making your client non-compliant. I hope your liability
>>>>> insurance premiums are up-to-date.
>>>> 
>>>> Wait, what?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> T has updated win11 on unsupported and incompatible hardware using third
>>> party unsupported tools which manipulate windows 11 functionality. Any of
>>> those steps could introduce vulnerabilities (i.e. no TPM) and could be
>>> vectors for compromising the system.  An external audit of this system
>>> would flag this and any financial loss could mean the bank comes after T.
>>> 
>>> Of course he could and likely get away with it, but that doesn't mean this
>>> isn't a risky practice for live financial systems.
>>> 
>>> There are many examples where malware has of these types of gaps in the
>>> security envelope.
>>> 
>> 
>> There's a security envelope ?
>> 
>> *******
>> 
>> Being serious for a moment, the contractors at work who worked
>> for my company, they took refresher courses to make sure they
>> were up to speed on topics like this.
>> 
>> That's how they made sure, as a contractor, you were "getting
>> a quality job", is by taking refreshers.
>> 
>> If there is a topic with compliance issues, a course will
>> help keep you on the straight and narrow.
>> 
>> And my company, to encourage this practice, would also pay to have
>> them educated ($2K reimbursement for a recognized course, that's a typical
>> amount for a five day course). We had one employee who was a former RFT,
>> that came back as a contractor, and that's what they did for him. Even
>> though he was a contractor and "all he was worth was $XX per hour", they
>> still paid extra to keep him educated.
>> 
>> Because they would rather have an educated employee than an uneducated one.
>> 
>> The RFTs like me, were also taking course work. In some cases,
>> all the hardware engineers had to take the same course, so that
>> management could know we all had the same baseline on signal integrity issues
>> and emissions.
>> 
>> Education is important in every profession.
>> 
>> We also had fun courses. One of the guys in a support group for computers,
>> he took a course on "how to hack PCs", and in the lab, they would practice
>> tipping over PCs of adjacent students in the same room (over the network).
>> That's why I have the question about "security envelope". With that course,
>> it wasn't a matter of finding *a* way to tip over a computer, the lab
>> practice was to see "who could do it faster". That gives you some
>> idea just how "seecure" your computer is.
>> 
>> Paul
> 
> The FUD surrounding Chris' response is saddening.

There's no FUD. Regulated industries are regulated for a reason.

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Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 16:39 -0700
  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 09:52 -0400
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "Allan Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> - 2025-08-10 09:37 -0500
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:14 -0700
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-10 18:03 +0100
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:05 -0700
  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-10 14:35 +0000
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:44 +0200
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:09 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-12 07:03 +0000
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-12 14:31 -0400
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 17:02 -0700
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:47 +0000
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 06:47 +0000
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-13 03:21 -0400
  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:50 +0200
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:56 -0400
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-11 15:10 +0200
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 17:34 -0400
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-13 21:33 +0200
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 18:11 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-10 23:08 -0400
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:37 -0700
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 04:27 -0400
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 02:46 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-11 15:13 +0200
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-11 17:46 -0400
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-15 17:26 +0200
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 00:21 +0100
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-15 19:29 -0500
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 15:27 +0100
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 23:44 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 13:19 +0100
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 13:38 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-18 15:58 +0200
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-18 12:58 -0400
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-08-18 15:56 +0200
          Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-08-15 21:38 +0000
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-15 18:16 -0400
            Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 07:02 -0400
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-25 16:14 +0100
              Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-25 19:09 +0000
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 16:52 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-25 22:23 +0000
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-25 23:26 -0400
                Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-26 08:46 -0400
  Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Windows X-Lite <Windows-X-Lite@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 04:50 +0000
    Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-18 22:21 -0700
      Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Windows X-Lite <Windows-X-Lite@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-19 12:40 +0000
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-19 12:02 +0000
        Re: Tip: w10-->W11 unsupported hardware experience Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 23:46 +1000

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