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| Started by | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| First post | 2020-07-09 13:13 +0100 |
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Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 13:13 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-09 13:21 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 14:27 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-09 15:21 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 18:47 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 18:47 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:52 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2020-07-10 17:50 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 03:13 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 08:27 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-11 07:07 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-11 10:50 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 12:32 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 16:36 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:24 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 14:37 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-12 12:07 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 15:26 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-12 18:29 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-13 07:10 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 16:29 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 15:25 +1200
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 15:52 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:37 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-20 18:34 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bill <WhoKnows@newsguy.net> - 2020-07-20 22:55 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bill <WhoKnows@newsguy.net> - 2020-07-22 00:16 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-07 23:40 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-07 22:36 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-21 15:45 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-21 11:18 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 22:52 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 22:50 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-21 13:20 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-21 12:40 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-06 21:40 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-06 21:39 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-07 02:50 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-08-07 12:29 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 08:58 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-07 12:21 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 12:08 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:14 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 14:27 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-07 18:32 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 17:00 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 20:21 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-08 03:13 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:16 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-08 11:24 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:47 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-08 08:39 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:51 -0500
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:50 -0400
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:42 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 20:23 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-20 17:00 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-03 20:06 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-09 12:24 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 21:15 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-09 14:36 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 19:18 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 19:54 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 21:45 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 21:00 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 23:31 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:04 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:12 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:15 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:20 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 00:17 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-28 22:19 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> - 2020-07-11 11:42 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-12 00:47 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 16:02 +1200
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 22:59 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:15 +1200
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-30 17:50 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-31 21:20 +1200
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-16 23:23 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-08-17 22:46 +1200
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-20 17:51 +0000
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-20 11:16 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-20 11:41 -0700
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 21:43 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 23:08 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 21:25 +0100
Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:11 +0000
Re: Why is my limey peabrain redesigned with no improvements? "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <lorzmysnusauge@blkzd.com> - 2020-07-11 11:49 -0700
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-09 14:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hmpgu7F86eaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #117030 |
On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> > wrote: > >> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >> >> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The >> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding! >> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of >> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of >> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think >> they estimate 1 year). >> >> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever >> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but >> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer >> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and >> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us. > > Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own > aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block > which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the equivalent of > $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy > Mercedes cars. Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty close to this model: https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html $350 That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace the ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts. The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black $20. Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less about $80 a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another year, though, so not a big deal. I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not happy... was very hit or miss. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 19:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0nwvsgczwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117032 |
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>> >>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The >>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding! >>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of >>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of >>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think >>> they estimate 1 year). >>> >>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever >>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but >>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer >>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and >>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us. >> >> Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own >> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block >> which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the equivalent of >> $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy >> Mercedes cars. > > Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't > remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty close > to this model: > > https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html > > $350 > > That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they > say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace the > ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts. > > The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black $20. > Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less about $80 > a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another year, > though, so not a big deal. > > I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not > happy... was very hit or miss. Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous. They saw you coming. I paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks. Ink is $12 a litre.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 19:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnedvgFkbmkU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #117720 |
Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>> >>>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The >>>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding! >>>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of >>>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of >>>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think >>>> they estimate 1 year). >>>> >>>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever >>>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but >>>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer >>>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and >>>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us. >>> >>> Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own >>> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block >>> which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the equivalent of >>> $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy >>> Mercedes cars. >> >> Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't >> remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty close >> to this model: >> >> https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html >> >> $350 >> >> That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they >> say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace the >> ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts. >> >> The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black $20. >> Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less about $80 >> a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another year, >> though, so not a big deal. >> >> I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not >> happy... was very hit or miss. > > Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous. They saw you coming. I > paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks. Ink is $12 a litre. > I went through a number of cheaper printers and was never happy with them. What do you have? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 21:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0nw2mpfrwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117733 |
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:54:25 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> >>> On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>>> >>>>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The >>>>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding! >>>>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of >>>>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of >>>>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think >>>>> they estimate 1 year). >>>>> >>>>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever >>>>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but >>>>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer >>>>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and >>>>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us. >>>> >>>> Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own >>>> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block >>>> which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the equivalent of >>>> $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy >>>> Mercedes cars. >>> >>> Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't >>> remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty close >>> to this model: >>> >>> https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html >>> >>> $350 >>> >>> That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they >>> say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace the >>> ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts. >>> >>> The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black $20. >>> Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less about $80 >>> a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another year, >>> though, so not a big deal. >>> >>> I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not >>> happy... was very hit or miss. >> >> Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous. They saw you coming. I >> paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks. Ink is $12 a litre. > > I went through a number of cheaper printers and was never happy with them. > What do you have? An Epson XP-352, plus 3rd party ink tanks. Works perfectly. I just pour ink into the tanks whenever I see they're running low.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 21:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnehr6Fl4kqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #117741 |
Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:54:25 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>>>> >>>>>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The >>>>>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding! >>>>>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of >>>>>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of >>>>>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think >>>>>> they estimate 1 year). >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever >>>>>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but >>>>>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer >>>>>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and >>>>>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us. >>>>> >>>>> Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own >>>>> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block >>>>> which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the equivalent of >>>>> $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy >>>>> Mercedes cars. >>>> >>>> Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't >>>> remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty close >>>> to this model: >>>> >>>> https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html >>>> >>>> $350 >>>> >>>> That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they >>>> say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace the >>>> ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts. >>>> >>>> The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black $20. >>>> Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less about $80 >>>> a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another year, >>>> though, so not a big deal. >>>> >>>> I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not >>>> happy... was very hit or miss. >>> >>> Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous. They saw you coming. I >>> paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks. >>> Ink is $12 a litre. >> >> I went through a number of cheaper printers and was never happy with them. >> What do you have? > > An Epson XP-352, plus 3rd party ink tanks. Works perfectly. I just pour > ink into the tanks whenever I see they're running low. > I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party inks with little luck. Happy it works for you though. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 23:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0nw7i1ehwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117743 |
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:00:23 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:54:25 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> >>> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The >>>>>>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding! >>>>>>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of >>>>>>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of >>>>>>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think >>>>>>> they estimate 1 year). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever >>>>>>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but >>>>>>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer >>>>>>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and >>>>>>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us. >>>>>> >>>>>> Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own >>>>>> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block >>>>>> which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the equivalent of >>>>>> $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy >>>>>> Mercedes cars. >>>>> >>>>> Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't >>>>> remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty close >>>>> to this model: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html >>>>> >>>>> $350 >>>>> >>>>> That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they >>>>> say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace the >>>>> ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts. >>>>> >>>>> The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black $20. >>>>> Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less about $80 >>>>> a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another year, >>>>> though, so not a big deal. >>>>> >>>>> I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not >>>>> happy... was very hit or miss. >>>> >>>> Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous. They saw you coming. I >>>> paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks. >>>> Ink is $12 a litre. >>> >>> I went through a number of cheaper printers and was never happy with them. >>> What do you have? >> >> An Epson XP-352, plus 3rd party ink tanks. Works perfectly. I just pour >> ink into the tanks whenever I see they're running low. >> > > I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party inks > with little luck. Happy it works for you though. I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the £1-£2 ones.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 16:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hnep4bFmi6vU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #117745 |
On 7/17/20 3:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:00:23 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> > wrote: > >> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:54:25 +0100, Snit >>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit >>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit >>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, >>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" >>>>>>>> printers. The >>>>>>>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not >>>>>>>> kidding! >>>>>>>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or >>>>>>>> four of >>>>>>>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second >>>>>>>> bottle of >>>>>>>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> they estimate 1 year). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or >>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I >>>>>>>> prefer >>>>>>>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and >>>>>>>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own >>>>>>> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block >>>>>>> which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the >>>>>>> equivalent of >>>>>>> $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I >>>>>>> buy >>>>>>> Mercedes cars. >>>>>> >>>>>> Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't >>>>>> remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty >>>>>> close >>>>>> to this model: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> $350 >>>>>> >>>>>> That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they >>>>>> say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace >>>>>> the >>>>>> ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts. >>>>>> >>>>>> The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black >>>>>> $20. >>>>>> Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less >>>>>> about $80 >>>>>> a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another >>>>>> year, >>>>>> though, so not a big deal. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not >>>>>> happy... was very hit or miss. >>>>> >>>>> Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous. They saw you >>>>> coming. I >>>>> paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks. >>>>> Ink is $12 a litre. >>>> >>>> I went through a number of cheaper printers and was never happy with >>>> them. >>>> What do you have? >>> >>> An Epson XP-352, plus 3rd party ink tanks. Works perfectly. I just >>> pour >>> ink into the tanks whenever I see they're running low. >>> >> >> I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party inks >> with little luck. Happy it works for you though. > > I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the > £1-£2 ones. They would smear and look horrid. We sometimes go long stretches without printing and maybe that made it worse. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 00:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0nw9fivuwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117749 |
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 00:04:43 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 7/17/20 3:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:00:23 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:54:25 +0100, Snit >>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit >>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit >>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>>>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, >>>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" >>>>>>>>> printers. The >>>>>>>>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not >>>>>>>>> kidding! >>>>>>>>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or >>>>>>>>> four of >>>>>>>>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second >>>>>>>>> bottle of >>>>>>>>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> they estimate 1 year). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or >>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I >>>>>>>>> prefer >>>>>>>>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and >>>>>>>>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own >>>>>>>> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block >>>>>>>> which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the >>>>>>>> equivalent of >>>>>>>> $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I >>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>> Mercedes cars. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't >>>>>>> remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty >>>>>>> close >>>>>>> to this model: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $350 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they >>>>>>> say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black >>>>>>> $20. >>>>>>> Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less >>>>>>> about $80 >>>>>>> a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another >>>>>>> year, >>>>>>> though, so not a big deal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not >>>>>>> happy... was very hit or miss. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous. They saw you >>>>>> coming. I >>>>>> paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks. >>>>>> Ink is $12 a litre. >>>>> >>>>> I went through a number of cheaper printers and was never happy with >>>>> them. >>>>> What do you have? >>>> >>>> An Epson XP-352, plus 3rd party ink tanks. Works perfectly. I just >>>> pour >>>> ink into the tanks whenever I see they're running low. >>>> >>> >>> I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party inks >>> with little luck. Happy it works for you though. >> >> I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the >> £1-£2 ones. > > They would smear and look horrid. Never happened to me. > We sometimes go long stretches without printing and maybe that made it worse. That's caused genuine ink to clog for me. The only point in buying better ink is if you get the UV proof stuff. For example a notice I put on my door telling salesmen to fuck off needs redoing after a couple of months of sunny days.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 16:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hnepo9Fmli7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #117751 |
On 7/17/20 4:12 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: ... >>>> I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party >>>> inks >>>> with little luck. Happy it works for you though. >>> >>> I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the >>> £1-£2 ones. >> >> They would smear and look horrid. > > Never happened to me. Every guy says that! :) >> We sometimes go long stretches without printing and maybe that made it >> worse. > > That's caused genuine ink to clog for me. > > The only point in buying better ink is if you get the UV proof stuff. > For example a notice I put on my door telling salesmen to fuck off needs > redoing after a couple of months of sunny days. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 00:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0nw9s5fuwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117753 |
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 00:15:21 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 7/17/20 4:12 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: > ... >>>>> I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party >>>>> inks >>>>> with little luck. Happy it works for you though. >>>> >>>> I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the >>>> £1-£2 ones. >>> >>> They would smear and look horrid. >> >> Never happened to me. > > Every guy says that! :) Speak for yourself! I get stiff as soon as I see tits.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 00:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnetcaFncacU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #117757 |
Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 00:15:21 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> On 7/17/20 4:12 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> ... >>>>>> I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party >>>>>> inks >>>>>> with little luck. Happy it works for you though. >>>>> >>>>> I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the >>>>> £1-£2 ones. >>>> >>>> They would smear and look horrid. >>> >>> Never happened to me. >> >> Every guy says that! :) > > Speak for yourself! I get stiff as soon as I see tits. > To each their own. https://globalnews.ca/news/4844790/great-tits-killing-eating-brains-migratory-birds-climate-change/ -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-28 22:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0ohhjbfrwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117765 |
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 01:17:14 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 00:15:21 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> >>> On 7/17/20 4:12 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> ... >>>>>>> I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party >>>>>>> inks >>>>>>> with little luck. Happy it works for you though. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the >>>>>> £1-£2 ones. >>>>> >>>>> They would smear and look horrid. >>>> >>>> Never happened to me. >>> >>> Every guy says that! :) >> >> Speak for yourself! I get stiff as soon as I see tits. >> > > To each their own. > > https://globalnews.ca/news/4844790/great-tits-killing-eating-brains-migratory-birds-climate-change/ Holy shit, I see many great tits and they're very friendly calm birds, I would never have thought of them attacking another bird. Now this goshawk that got into my garden, they're vicious: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g043597dtxpx78x/Hawk%20trapped%20in%20cattery%20%285%29.JPG?dl=0
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| From | Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> |
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| Date | 2020-07-11 11:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nqydnS1GrpeulZfCnZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #117011 |
On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: > Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, > different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing > useful. There was no need to make it different. So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question - parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for various sorts of memory cards. To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed have gone up while prices have gone down. Ditto cost/higher resolution. I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest? I'd guess most folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to a new computer. (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to connect to a fairly old Laser.) So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost reductions. I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about feature.
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-12 00:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0nl6100owdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117185 |
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:42:58 +0100, Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: > On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >> useful. There was no need to make it different. > > So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question - > parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for > various sorts of memory cards. > > To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed > have gone up while prices have gone down. Ditto cost/higher resolution. > > I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how > often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest? I'd guess most > folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to > a new computer. (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to > connect to a fairly old Laser.) I had that problem where I worked which had Apple computers - in that case I bought adapters to go into the serial ports, cheaper and easier to fit/swap around than a card. But PCs tend to keep the old ports for a decade afterwards. I bought a motherboard with a serial and parallel port on the back about only 5 years ago. When was it USB came out? > So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost > reductions. I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about > feature. But you've listed only a handful of proper feature changes. I bet you there are about 250 models of Epson inkjet ever made.
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| From | Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2020-07-12 16:02 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <nt0lgf538lcu5lvtuatgrhe291tqmfvbal@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #117219 |
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:47:50 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:42:58 +0100, Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >> >> So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question - >> parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for >> various sorts of memory cards. >> >> To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed >> have gone up while prices have gone down. Ditto cost/higher resolution. >> >> I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how >> often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest? I'd guess most >> folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to >> a new computer. (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to >> connect to a fairly old Laser.) > >I had that problem where I worked which had Apple computers - in that case I bought adapters to go into the serial ports, cheaper and easier to fit/swap around than a card. But PCs tend to keep the old ports for a decade afterwards. I bought a motherboard with a serial and parallel port on the back about only 5 years ago. When was it USB came out? > >> So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost >> reductions. I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about >> feature. > >But you've listed only a handful of proper feature changes. I bet you there are about 250 models of Epson inkjet ever made. I bet there is a damned sight more than that. In Desktop printers there is the Workforce Series, ET Series, XP Series, Artisan Series and the Stylus Series. In large format printers they currently list 24 different models. They currently list 10 different models of Point of Sale printers. Leaving out the point of sale printers, the various printer models currently listed under 'Support & Downloads' are: Eco Tank Multifunction printers 18 Eco Tank printers 3 Multifunction Printers 118 Inkjet Printers 113 Large Format Printers 72 ---- 324 Apart from that, there will be a long tail of utterly obsolete printeres trailing into the distant past. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 22:59 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0ny0pr07wdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117248 |
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:02:58 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:47:50 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" > <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > >> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:42:58 +0100, Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: >> >>> On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>> >>> So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question - >>> parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for >>> various sorts of memory cards. >>> >>> To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed >>> have gone up while prices have gone down. Ditto cost/higher resolution. >>> >>> I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how >>> often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest? I'd guess most >>> folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to >>> a new computer. (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to >>> connect to a fairly old Laser.) >> >> I had that problem where I worked which had Apple computers - in that case I bought adapters to go into the serial ports, cheaper and easier to fit/swap around than a card. But PCs tend to keep the old ports for a decade afterwards. I bought a motherboard with a serial and parallel port on the back about only 5 years ago. When was it USB came out? >> >>> So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost >>> reductions. I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about >>> feature. >> >> But you've listed only a handful of proper feature changes. I bet you there are about 250 models of Epson inkjet ever made. > > I bet there is a damned sight more than that. In Desktop printers > there is the Workforce Series, ET Series, XP Series, Artisan Series > and the Stylus Series. > > In large format printers they currently list 24 different models. > > They currently list 10 different models of Point of Sale printers. > > Leaving out the point of sale printers, the various printer models > currently listed under 'Support & Downloads' are: > Eco Tank Multifunction printers 18 > Eco Tank printers 3 > Multifunction Printers 118 > Inkjet Printers 113 > Large Format Printers 72 > ---- > 324 > > Apart from that, there will be a long tail of utterly obsolete > printeres trailing into the distant past. Indeed. And since 324 improvements have not been made to printers in that time, most of those were a complete and utter waste of time and money. Presumably making a new one requires a lot of expense of tooling. If one manufacturer just stuck to a single model and only changed it every 10 years, they could make a fortune.
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| From | Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2020-07-19 16:15 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <l2i7hftp1v01c2n6esqischki615mjlgh1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #117851 |
On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:59:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:02:58 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > >> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:47:50 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" >> <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:42:58 +0100, Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>> >>>> So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question - >>>> parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for >>>> various sorts of memory cards. >>>> >>>> To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed >>>> have gone up while prices have gone down. Ditto cost/higher resolution. >>>> >>>> I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how >>>> often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest? I'd guess most >>>> folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to >>>> a new computer. (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to >>>> connect to a fairly old Laser.) >>> >>> I had that problem where I worked which had Apple computers - in that case I bought adapters to go into the serial ports, cheaper and easier to fit/swap around than a card. But PCs tend to keep the old ports for a decade afterwards. I bought a motherboard with a serial and parallel port on the back about only 5 years ago. When was it USB came out? >>> >>>> So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost >>>> reductions. I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about >>>> feature. >>> >>> But you've listed only a handful of proper feature changes. I bet you there are about 250 models of Epson inkjet ever made. >> >> I bet there is a damned sight more than that. In Desktop printers >> there is the Workforce Series, ET Series, XP Series, Artisan Series >> and the Stylus Series. >> >> In large format printers they currently list 24 different models. >> >> They currently list 10 different models of Point of Sale printers. >> >> Leaving out the point of sale printers, the various printer models >> currently listed under 'Support & Downloads' are: >> Eco Tank Multifunction printers 18 >> Eco Tank printers 3 >> Multifunction Printers 118 >> Inkjet Printers 113 >> Large Format Printers 72 >> ---- >> 324 >> >> Apart from that, there will be a long tail of utterly obsolete >> printeres trailing into the distant past. > >Indeed. And since 324 improvements have not been made to printers in that time, most of those were a complete and utter waste of time and money. Presumably making a new one requires a lot of expense of tooling. If one manufacturer just stuck to a single model and only changed it every 10 years, they could make a fortune. Why don't you find a financier and set up in business? Preferably one who remains unaware of the impact that CNC has had on the cost of tooling. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-07-30 17:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0okuetjewdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #117890 |
On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 05:15:16 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:59:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" > <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > >> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:02:58 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:47:50 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" >>> <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:42:58 +0100, Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>>> >>>>> So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question - >>>>> parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for >>>>> various sorts of memory cards. >>>>> >>>>> To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed >>>>> have gone up while prices have gone down. Ditto cost/higher resolution. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how >>>>> often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest? I'd guess most >>>>> folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to >>>>> a new computer. (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to >>>>> connect to a fairly old Laser.) >>>> >>>> I had that problem where I worked which had Apple computers - in that case I bought adapters to go into the serial ports, cheaper and easier to fit/swap around than a card. But PCs tend to keep the old ports for a decade afterwards. I bought a motherboard with a serial and parallel port on the back about only 5 years ago. When was it USB came out? >>>> >>>>> So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost >>>>> reductions. I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about >>>>> feature. >>>> >>>> But you've listed only a handful of proper feature changes. I bet you there are about 250 models of Epson inkjet ever made. >>> >>> I bet there is a damned sight more than that. In Desktop printers >>> there is the Workforce Series, ET Series, XP Series, Artisan Series >>> and the Stylus Series. >>> >>> In large format printers they currently list 24 different models. >>> >>> They currently list 10 different models of Point of Sale printers. >>> >>> Leaving out the point of sale printers, the various printer models >>> currently listed under 'Support & Downloads' are: >>> Eco Tank Multifunction printers 18 >>> Eco Tank printers 3 >>> Multifunction Printers 118 >>> Inkjet Printers 113 >>> Large Format Printers 72 >>> ---- >>> 324 >>> >>> Apart from that, there will be a long tail of utterly obsolete >>> printeres trailing into the distant past. >> >> Indeed. And since 324 improvements have not been made to printers in that time, most of those were a complete and utter waste of time and money. Presumably making a new one requires a lot of expense of tooling. If one manufacturer just stuck to a single model and only changed it every 10 years, they could make a fortune. > > Why don't you find a financier and set up in business? > > Preferably one who remains unaware of the impact that CNC has had on > the cost of tooling. It's not just the tooling cost. It's pissing off the customers when they can't get the same model again. Imagine if you could buy an identical model the next time, you'd keep your old one for spare parts. And don't say that would reduce sales. It may do that, but it would increase your customer base from companies that fucked them around.
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| From | Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2020-07-31 21:20 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <dco7if18qbm2duflfl33fo78lbke2utguu@4ax.com> |
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:50:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 05:15:16 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > >> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:59:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" >> <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:02:58 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:47:50 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" >>>> <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:42:58 +0100, Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>>>> >>>>>> So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question - >>>>>> parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for >>>>>> various sorts of memory cards. >>>>>> >>>>>> To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed >>>>>> have gone up while prices have gone down. Ditto cost/higher resolution. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how >>>>>> often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest? I'd guess most >>>>>> folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to >>>>>> a new computer. (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to >>>>>> connect to a fairly old Laser.) >>>>> >>>>> I had that problem where I worked which had Apple computers - in that case I bought adapters to go into the serial ports, cheaper and easier to fit/swap around than a card. But PCs tend to keep the old ports for a decade afterwards. I bought a motherboard with a serial and parallel port on the back about only 5 years ago. When was it USB came out? >>>>> >>>>>> So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost >>>>>> reductions. I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about >>>>>> feature. >>>>> >>>>> But you've listed only a handful of proper feature changes. I bet you there are about 250 models of Epson inkjet ever made. >>>> >>>> I bet there is a damned sight more than that. In Desktop printers >>>> there is the Workforce Series, ET Series, XP Series, Artisan Series >>>> and the Stylus Series. >>>> >>>> In large format printers they currently list 24 different models. >>>> >>>> They currently list 10 different models of Point of Sale printers. >>>> >>>> Leaving out the point of sale printers, the various printer models >>>> currently listed under 'Support & Downloads' are: >>>> Eco Tank Multifunction printers 18 >>>> Eco Tank printers 3 >>>> Multifunction Printers 118 >>>> Inkjet Printers 113 >>>> Large Format Printers 72 >>>> ---- >>>> 324 >>>> >>>> Apart from that, there will be a long tail of utterly obsolete >>>> printeres trailing into the distant past. >>> >>> Indeed. And since 324 improvements have not been made to printers in that time, most of those were a complete and utter waste of time and money. Presumably making a new one requires a lot of expense of tooling. If one manufacturer just stuck to a single model and only changed it every 10 years, they could make a fortune. >> >> Why don't you find a financier and set up in business? >> >> Preferably one who remains unaware of the impact that CNC has had on >> the cost of tooling. > >It's not just the tooling cost. It's pissing off the customers when they can't get the same model again. Imagine if you could buy an identical model the next time, you'd keep your old one for spare parts. And don't say that would reduce sales. It may do that, but it would increase your customer base from companies that fucked them around. The point I'm trying to make is the the advent of computers has brought the cost of making press and molding tooling down to a fraction of what it was. It is now cheap to set up a production line for a new product and anyone who expects to go on selling the same printer for ten years will quickly find themselves several generations behind the competition. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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| From | "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> |
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| Date | 2020-08-16 23:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.0pgq41liwdg98l@glass> |
| In reply to | #118574 |
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:20:33 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:50:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" > <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 05:15:16 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:59:41 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" >>> <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:02:58 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:47:50 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" >>>>> <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:42:58 +0100, Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: >>>>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, >>>>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing >>>>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question - >>>>>>> parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for >>>>>>> various sorts of memory cards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed >>>>>>> have gone up while prices have gone down. Ditto cost/higher resolution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how >>>>>>> often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest? I'd guess most >>>>>>> folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to >>>>>>> a new computer. (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to >>>>>>> connect to a fairly old Laser.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I had that problem where I worked which had Apple computers - in that case I bought adapters to go into the serial ports, cheaper and easier to fit/swap around than a card. But PCs tend to keep the old ports for a decade afterwards. I bought a motherboard with a serial and parallel port on the back about only 5 years ago. When was it USB came out? >>>>>> >>>>>>> So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost >>>>>>> reductions. I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about >>>>>>> feature. >>>>>> >>>>>> But you've listed only a handful of proper feature changes. I bet you there are about 250 models of Epson inkjet ever made. >>>>> >>>>> I bet there is a damned sight more than that. In Desktop printers >>>>> there is the Workforce Series, ET Series, XP Series, Artisan Series >>>>> and the Stylus Series. >>>>> >>>>> In large format printers they currently list 24 different models. >>>>> >>>>> They currently list 10 different models of Point of Sale printers. >>>>> >>>>> Leaving out the point of sale printers, the various printer models >>>>> currently listed under 'Support & Downloads' are: >>>>> Eco Tank Multifunction printers 18 >>>>> Eco Tank printers 3 >>>>> Multifunction Printers 118 >>>>> Inkjet Printers 113 >>>>> Large Format Printers 72 >>>>> ---- >>>>> 324 >>>>> >>>>> Apart from that, there will be a long tail of utterly obsolete >>>>> printeres trailing into the distant past. >>>> >>>> Indeed. And since 324 improvements have not been made to printers in that time, most of those were a complete and utter waste of time and money. Presumably making a new one requires a lot of expense of tooling. If one manufacturer just stuck to a single model and only changed it every 10 years, they could make a fortune. >>> >>> Why don't you find a financier and set up in business? >>> >>> Preferably one who remains unaware of the impact that CNC has had on >>> the cost of tooling. >> >> It's not just the tooling cost. It's pissing off the customers when they can't get the same model again. Imagine if you could buy an identical model the next time, you'd keep your old one for spare parts. And don't say that would reduce sales. It may do that, but it would increase your customer base from companies that fucked them around. > > The point I'm trying to make is the the advent of computers has > brought the cost of making press and molding tooling down to a > fraction of what it was. It is now cheap to set up a production line > for a new product and anyone who expects to go on selling the same > printer for ten years will quickly find themselves several generations > behind the competition. They won't, since printer tech doesn't advance very often. You only need to make a new model if there's tech in it that wasn't in the last one.
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