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Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?

From "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp>
Newsgroups alt.computer.workshop, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?
Date 2020-07-18 22:59 +0100
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On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:02:58 +0100, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 00:47:50 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 19:42:58 +0100, Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/9/2020 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different.
>>>
>>> So far I've seen only 1 response that answers your question -
>>> parallel-serial to USB to wifi-Ethernet and the addition of slots for
>>> various sorts of memory cards.
>>>
>>> To these I'd add that features like duplexing, and increases in speed
>>> have gone up while prices have gone down.  Ditto cost/higher resolution.
>>>
>>> I don't think the changes/improvements are simply marketing ploys - how
>>> often does anyone buy a new printer to get the latest?  I'd guess most
>>> folks replace an old printer because it has failed or can't connect to
>>> a new computer.  (I added an LPT/Parallel card to my desktop PC to
>>> connect to a fairly old Laser.)
>>
>> I had that problem where I worked which had Apple computers - in that case I bought adapters to go into the serial ports, cheaper and easier to fit/swap around than a card.  But PCs tend to keep the old ports for a decade afterwards.  I bought a motherboard with a serial and parallel port on the back about only 5 years ago.  When was it USB came out?
>>
>>> So I think there have been improvements and corresponding cost
>>> reductions.  I'm still waiting for the print-what-I'm thinking about
>>> feature.
>>
>> But you've listed only a handful of proper feature changes.  I bet you there are about 250 models of Epson inkjet ever made.
>
> I bet there is a damned sight more than that. In Desktop printers
> there is the Workforce Series, ET Series, XP Series, Artisan Series
> and the Stylus Series.
>
> In large format printers they currently list 24 different models.
>
> They currently list 10 different models of Point of Sale printers.
>
> Leaving out the point of sale printers, the various printer models
> currently listed under 'Support & Downloads' are:
>  Eco Tank Multifunction printers	18
>   Eco Tank printers		3
>   Multifunction Printers		118
>   Inkjet Printers			113
>   Large Format Printers		72
> 				----
> 				324
>
> Apart from that, there will be a long tail of utterly obsolete
> printeres trailing into the distant past.

Indeed.  And since 324 improvements have not been made to printers in that time, most of those were a complete and utter waste of time and money.  Presumably making a new one requires a lot of expense of tooling.  If one manufacturer just stuck to a single model and only changed it every 10 years, they could make a fortune.

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Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 13:13 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-09 13:21 +0100
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 14:27 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-09 15:21 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 18:47 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 18:47 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:52 +0000
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2020-07-10 17:50 +0000
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 03:13 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 08:27 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-11 07:07 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-11 10:50 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 12:32 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 16:36 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:24 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 14:37 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-12 12:07 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 15:26 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-12 18:29 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-13 07:10 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 16:29 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 15:25 +1200
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 15:52 +0000
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:37 -0500
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-20 18:34 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bill <WhoKnows@newsguy.net> - 2020-07-20 22:55 -0400
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bill <WhoKnows@newsguy.net> - 2020-07-22 00:16 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-07 23:40 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-07 22:36 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-21 15:45 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-21 11:18 -0500
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 22:52 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 22:50 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-21 13:20 -0400
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-21 12:40 -0500
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-06 21:40 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-06 21:39 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-07 02:50 -0700
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-08-07 12:29 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 08:58 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-07 12:21 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 12:08 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:14 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 14:27 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-07 18:32 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 17:00 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 20:21 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-08 03:13 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:16 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-08 11:24 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:47 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-08 08:39 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:51 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:50 -0400
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:42 +0000
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 20:23 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-20 17:00 +0000
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-03 20:06 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-09 12:24 -0700
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 21:15 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-09 14:36 -0700
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 19:18 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 19:54 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 21:45 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 21:00 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 23:31 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:04 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:12 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:15 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:20 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 00:17 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-28 22:19 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> - 2020-07-11 11:42 -0700
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-12 00:47 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 16:02 +1200
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 22:59 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:15 +1200
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-30 17:50 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-31 21:20 +1200
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-16 23:23 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-08-17 22:46 +1200
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-20 17:51 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-20 11:16 -0700
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-20 11:41 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 21:43 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 23:08 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 21:25 +0100
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:11 +0000
  Re: Why is my limey peabrain redesigned with no improvements? "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <lorzmysnusauge@blkzd.com> - 2020-07-11 11:49 -0700

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