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Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?

From "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp>
Newsgroups alt.computer.workshop, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?
Date 2020-07-17 23:31 +0100
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:00:23 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:54:25 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
>>>>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
>>>>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The
>>>>>>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding!
>>>>>>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of
>>>>>>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of
>>>>>>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think
>>>>>>> they estimate 1 year).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever
>>>>>>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but
>>>>>>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer
>>>>>>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and
>>>>>>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it expensive to buy?  I bought a normal Epson and added my own
>>>>>> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block
>>>>>> which goes where the cartridges should.  Works out at the equivalent of
>>>>>> $0.15 a cartridge.  And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy
>>>>>> Mercedes cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't
>>>>> remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty close
>>>>> to this model:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html
>>>>>
>>>>> $350
>>>>>
>>>>> That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they
>>>>> say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace the
>>>>> ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts.
>>>>>
>>>>> The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black $20.
>>>>> Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less about $80
>>>>> a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another year,
>>>>> though, so not a big deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not
>>>>> happy... was very hit or miss.
>>>>
>>>> Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous.  They saw you coming.  I
>>>> paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks.
>>>> Ink is $12 a litre.
>>>
>>> I went through a number of cheaper printers and was never happy with them.
>>> What do you have?
>>
>> An Epson XP-352, plus 3rd party ink tanks.  Works perfectly.  I just pour
>> ink into the tanks whenever I see they're running low.
>>
>
> I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party inks
> with little luck. Happy it works for you though.

I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the £1-£2 ones.

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Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 13:13 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-09 13:21 +0100
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 14:27 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-09 15:21 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 18:47 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 18:47 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:52 +0000
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2020-07-10 17:50 +0000
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 03:13 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 08:27 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-11 07:07 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-11 10:50 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 12:32 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 16:36 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:24 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 14:37 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-12 12:07 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 15:26 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-12 18:29 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-13 07:10 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 16:29 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 15:25 +1200
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 15:52 +0000
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:37 -0500
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-20 18:34 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bill <WhoKnows@newsguy.net> - 2020-07-20 22:55 -0400
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bill <WhoKnows@newsguy.net> - 2020-07-22 00:16 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-07 23:40 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-07 22:36 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-21 15:45 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-21 11:18 -0500
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 22:52 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 22:50 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-21 13:20 -0400
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-21 12:40 -0500
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-06 21:40 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-06 21:39 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-07 02:50 -0700
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-08-07 12:29 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 08:58 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-07 12:21 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 12:08 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:14 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 14:27 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-07 18:32 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 17:00 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 20:21 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-08 03:13 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:16 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-08 11:24 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:47 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-08 08:39 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:51 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:50 -0400
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:42 +0000
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 20:23 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-20 17:00 +0000
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-03 20:06 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-09 12:24 -0700
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 21:15 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-09 14:36 -0700
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 19:18 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 19:54 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 21:45 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 21:00 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 23:31 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:04 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:12 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:15 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:20 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 00:17 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-28 22:19 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> - 2020-07-11 11:42 -0700
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-12 00:47 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 16:02 +1200
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 22:59 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:15 +1200
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-30 17:50 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-31 21:20 +1200
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-16 23:23 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-08-17 22:46 +1200
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-20 17:51 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-20 11:16 -0700
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-20 11:41 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 21:43 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 23:08 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 21:25 +0100
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:11 +0000
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