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Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?

From "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp>
Newsgroups alt.computer.workshop, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?
Date 2020-07-18 00:12 +0100
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 00:04:43 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 7/17/20 3:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 22:00:23 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:54:25 +0100, Snit
>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 22:36:06 +0100, Snit
>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
>>>>>>>>>> different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality,
>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>> useful. There was no need to make it different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank"
>>>>>>>>> printers. The
>>>>>>>>> promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not
>>>>>>>>> kidding!
>>>>>>>>> It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or
>>>>>>>>> four of
>>>>>>>>> the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second
>>>>>>>>> bottle of
>>>>>>>>> the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> they estimate 1 year).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or
>>>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>>>> and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I
>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>> printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and
>>>>>>>>> menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it expensive to buy?  I bought a normal Epson and added my own
>>>>>>>> aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block
>>>>>>>> which goes where the cartridges should.  Works out at the
>>>>>>>> equivalent of
>>>>>>>> $0.15 a cartridge.  And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I
>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>> Mercedes cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't
>>>>>>> remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty
>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>> to this model:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank-et-3760-special-edition-all-in-one-wireless-printer-with-two-bonus-black-ink-bottles.product.100518531.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $350
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they
>>>>>>> say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black
>>>>>>> $20.
>>>>>>> Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less
>>>>>>> about $80
>>>>>>> a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another
>>>>>>> year,
>>>>>>> though, so not a big deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not
>>>>>>> happy... was very hit or miss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mine works fine, and $350 is fucking ridiculous.  They saw you
>>>>>> coming.  I
>>>>>> paid $40 for my printer (including scanner) and $20 for the ink tanks.
>>>>>> Ink is $12 a litre.
>>>>>
>>>>> I went through a number of cheaper printers and was never happy with
>>>>> them.
>>>>> What do you have?
>>>>
>>>> An Epson XP-352, plus 3rd party ink tanks.  Works perfectly.  I just
>>>> pour
>>>> ink into the tanks whenever I see they're running low.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I had a similar one — but with a touch screen. We tried third party inks
>>> with little luck. Happy it works for you though.
>>
>> I have never seen 3rd party inks fail to work in anything, and I buy the
>> £1-£2 ones.
>
> They would smear and look horrid.

Never happened to me.

> We sometimes go long stretches without printing and maybe that made it worse.

That's caused genuine ink to clog for me.

The only point in buying better ink is if you get the UV proof stuff.  For example a notice I put on my door telling salesmen to fuck off needs redoing after a couple of months of sunny days.

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Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 13:13 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-09 13:21 +0100
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 14:27 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-07-09 15:21 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 18:47 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 18:47 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:52 +0000
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2020-07-10 17:50 +0000
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 03:13 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 08:27 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-11 07:07 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-11 10:50 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-11 12:32 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 16:36 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-12 07:24 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 14:37 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-12 12:07 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2020-07-12 15:26 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2020-07-12 18:29 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-13 07:10 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 16:29 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 15:25 +1200
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-11 15:52 +0000
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:37 -0500
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-20 18:34 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bill <WhoKnows@newsguy.net> - 2020-07-20 22:55 -0400
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bill <WhoKnows@newsguy.net> - 2020-07-22 00:16 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-07 23:40 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-07 22:36 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-21 15:45 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-21 11:18 -0500
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 22:52 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 22:50 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-07-21 13:20 -0400
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-07-21 12:40 -0500
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-06 21:40 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-06 21:39 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2020-08-07 02:50 -0700
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? David_B <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> - 2020-08-07 12:29 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 08:58 -0400
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-07 12:21 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 12:08 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 15:14 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 14:27 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-07 18:32 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-07 17:00 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 20:21 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-08-08 03:13 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:16 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-08 11:24 -0400
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:47 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-08-08 08:39 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-08-08 10:51 -0500
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-07 19:50 -0400
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-10 15:42 +0000
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 20:23 +0100
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-20 17:00 +0000
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-03 20:06 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-09 12:24 -0700
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-09 21:15 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-09 14:36 -0700
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 19:18 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 19:54 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 21:45 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 21:00 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-17 23:31 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:04 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:12 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:15 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 00:20 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 00:17 +0000
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-28 22:19 +0100
  Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> - 2020-07-11 11:42 -0700
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-12 00:47 +0100
      Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-12 16:02 +1200
        Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-18 22:59 +0100
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-19 16:15 +1200
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-07-30 17:50 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-07-31 21:20 +1200
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-16 23:23 +0100
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2020-08-17 22:46 +1200
          Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-07-20 17:51 +0000
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-20 11:16 -0700
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2020-07-20 11:41 -0700
                Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-05 21:43 +0100
              Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 23:08 +0100
            Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? "Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> - 2020-08-04 21:25 +0100
    Re: Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements? Arlen Holder <arlenholder@newmachine.com> - 2020-07-12 06:11 +0000
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