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Re: Start 'Menu' Problems

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On 2025-02-10 18:19, Newyana2 wrote:
>
> On 2/10/2025 12:50 PM, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 2025-02-10 16:45, Newyana2 wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2/10/2025 9:31 AM, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rant:  This is the sort of exasperating, maddening time-wasting shit 
>>>> that happens every time I try and domesticate Windows 10 or 11, and 
>>>> usually I just give up and revert to 7, which, though it took a long 
>>>> time a while back, I was able in the end to house-train sufficiently 
>>>> to make it ergonomically efficient and thus very usable.  I've never 
>>>> been able to achieve this in Windows 10 or 11.
>>>
>>>    As Stan indicated, the solution is to clean up the Start
>>> Menu folders. (There's yours and all users. I just put
>>> everything into all users for convenience.) I create
>>> folders, like Office, Utilities, etc. Then I delete all but
>>> actual program shortcuts, name them as desired, and
>>> put them in the approriate folder.
>>
>> I did all that for the original W7 Start Menu that works, but neither 
>> of you seem to have noticed that the Start Menu folders, system or 
>> user, are largely ignored in Windows 10
> 
>    Ah. Sorry, I didn't know that. To my mind the Win10/11 Start
>   Menus are so bad that I've never really used them. I just install
> Classic/Open Shell and it works as expected.
> 
>>   (actually IMS it's Windows 8+).  What
>> determines what 'tiles' appear on the RHS of a given user's Start Menu 
>> in Windows 10?  I, a Windows user since 3.1 of some 40 years standing, 
>> who has created all the Windows builds used in a major UK financial 
>> business, have no fucking idea.
>>
>> *Logically* and *rationally* (terms that Microsoft programmers don't 
>> seem to understand) you'd expect there to be a sub-folder of the 
>> user's profile containing the icons that the user has pinned to 
>> Start.  Based on Windows 7, I'd expect it to be ...
>>
>>   %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick 
>> Launch\User Pinned\StartMenu
> 
>   You lost me there. I use Quick Launch on the taskbar. (Which must be
> set up in Windows 10.) I don't know
> from Start Menu pinning. The solution I offered was only for once you
> actually open the Programs menu on the Start Menu. The folders and
> shortcuts in the Start Menu folders are felected there as menus and
> submenus.
> 
> My Start Menu folders are as follows:
> 
> C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
> 
> C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
> 
> As noted, I combine the two in all users, leaving nothing in my
> personal folder. https://i.postimg.cc/JnznQkWk/startmenu.jpg

Yes, it's damned confusing, and even more so than I had thought ...


In W2k/XP, it was *relatively* straightfoward:

The 'System' Start Menu was the All Users' Start Menu, held in ...

   %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Start Menu

... while I don't think there was a System equivalent of Quick Links.

A user's Start Menu was held in ...

   %USERPROFILE%\Start Menu

... and his/her Quick Links were held in ...

   %USERPROFILE%\Application Data\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch


However, with at latest Windows 7, but most probably Vista, things got 
murkier and less understandable.  Until your post, which prompted me to 
experiment here in W7, I *had* thought that it was almost the same as 
XP, that choosing 'Pin to Start Menu" would copy the link into ...

   %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick 
Launch\User Pinned\StartMenu

... and that copying a link there manually would make it appear on the 
Start Menu, but neither of these things appear to be true, at least not 
without logging out and back in, which I can't check at the moment.

 From Windows 8, it's even less understandable.  The Start Menu folders 
above, both System and User, seem to get mixed into the alphabetical 
list in the Start Menus without obeying the original W7 Start Menus 
structure except at the first level of subfolder, any further subfolders 
seem to be completely ignored.  So, for example, if in W7 you created a 
Start Menu subfolder ...

   Programs\System Tools\Dell\<etc>

... then everything in Dell will appear jumbled up with all the other 
subfolders of System Tools in Windows System (its pointless renaming) in 
the Windows 10 alphabetical Start Menu.  Further the algorithm for 'Pin 
to Start' seems to have been altered so that the workarounds described 
in my OP no longer work, and you can only have one link to any given 
program in the Start tiles, which for me is such a serious limitation 
that effectively the whole idea of them becomes nigh on useless.

The whole thing is a reeking, stinking mess which robs the user of the 
ability to customise his computing environment, rather like working for 
a tyrannical boss.

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Start 'Menu' Problems Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-10 14:31 +0000
  Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-10 15:17 +0000
    Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-10 16:47 +0000
    Re: Start 'Menu' Problems mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) - 2025-02-10 17:21 +0000
  Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-02-10 08:27 -0800
    Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-10 17:27 +0000
  Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-10 11:45 -0500
    Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-10 17:50 +0000
      Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-10 13:19 -0500
        Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-10 19:14 +0000
      Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-10 20:21 +0000
  Re: Start 'Menu' Problems MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-02-10 19:00 +0000
    Re: Start 'Menu' Problems MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-02-10 19:03 +0000
      Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-10 19:24 +0000
        Re: Start 'Menu' Problems Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-11 13:25 +0000
          Re: Start 'Menu' Problems MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-02-12 13:56 +0000
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