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  The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 15:51 -0400
    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-17 18:12 -0400
      Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 22:15 -0500
        Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-19 05:28 -0400
          Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:07 -0400
            Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-19 21:30 +0100
              Re: The Bible Inc. phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 16:19 -0600
                Re: The Bible Inc. phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:45 -0600
                  Re: The Bible Inc. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:49 -0700
                  Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 12:40 +0100
                Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 02:14 +0100
                  Re: The Bible Inc. Tom Mix <tommix@mixmin.net> - 2026-06-22 09:57 +0000
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-22 06:44 -0400
                      Re: The Bible Inc. "Doc Hammerslack" <dochammerslack@creon.earth> - 2026-06-22 12:03 +0000
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-22 20:52 +1000
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> - 2026-06-22 16:28 -0700
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-23 18:02 +1000
                Re: The Bible Inc. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:50 -0700
                  Re: The Bible Inc. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-19 20:58 -0600
              Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 23:26 -0400
                Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 12:44 +0100
                  Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 13:02 -0500
                    Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-21 18:52 +0000
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 18:13 -0500
                    Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-22 01:42 +0100
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-22 19:39 +1000
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 12:50 -0500
                  Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:27 -0400
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:12 -0400
                      Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 10:39 -0400
                        Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 14:29 -0400
                          Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 12:19 -0400
                            Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 18:10 -0400
                        Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 16:28 -0500
                    Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-23 11:26 +0100
                      Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:07 -0500
            Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 00:57 -0400
              Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:20 -0400
                Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:17 -0400
                  Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 10:43 -0400
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 14:33 -0400
                      Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 17:29 -0400
                        Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 18:17 -0400
                        Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 11:58 -0500
        Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:03 -0400
          Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 06:49 -0500
            Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 09:09 -0400
              Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 17:50 -0500
                Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-21 14:01 +0000
            Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:29 -0400
              Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:22 -0500
      Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:01 -0400
        Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 01:00 -0400
          Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:23 -0400
            Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:27 -0400
              Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-23 23:52 +1000
                Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 18:47 -0400
                  Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-24 00:36 +0100
                    Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 06:27 -0400
            Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:10 -0500
              Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-23 17:38 +0000

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#3488906 — The Bible Inc.

On 6/17/26 3:29 PM, Steven Douglas wrote:
 >
 > JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> posted:

 >> Cus the bible has God turning idolaters
 >> like you into homos.
 >
 > Uh, no, that's not what it says. It does say that
 > God gave them over to their own desires, not that
 > God turned them into anything.

Hmm. Why do you do that? Because isn't it a sin to
pervert the bible like you're doing here?

I’ll quote from the KJV:

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made 
like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and 
creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of 
their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

God made them gay for your sin of idolatry.

God made them gay.

They practiced idolatry so God made them gay.

And you're an idolater.

And you're guilty of hubris.

And you sinfully pervert the bible.



-- 
https://jtem.tumblr.com/

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#3488921

On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:51:45 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
<110utsh$23vl6$3@dont-email.me> wrote:

>And you sinfully pervert the bible.

That source has no independent verification.

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#3489005

On 6/17/2026 5:12 PM, Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:51:45 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <110utsh$23vl6$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
> 
>> And you sinfully pervert the bible.
> 
> That source has no independent verification.
> 

It has no verification; the original manuscripts of both the Old & New 
Testament have been lost, and along the way, texts got changed.  How 
much or how little is pretty much anyone's guess!

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#3489032

On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 22:15:57 -0500, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<1112c9d$320hm$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 6/17/2026 5:12 PM, Attila wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:51:45 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <110utsh$23vl6$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> 
>>> And you sinfully pervert the bible.
>> 
>> That source has no independent verification.
>> 
>
>It has no verification; the original manuscripts of both the Old & New 
>Testament have been lost, and along the way, texts got changed.  How 
>much or how little is pretty much anyone's guess!

If any.

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#3489066

On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:

> If any.

If any...what?

What is your position, as if you have one.

What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
argue, the bible is not verified?

Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
from recognizing it.

What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
verified?

"THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."

Go on.



-- 
https://jtem.tumblr.com/

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#3489079

JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
> 
> > If any.
> 
> If any...what?
> 
> What is your position, as if you have one.
> 
> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
> argue, the bible is not verified?
> 
> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
> from recognizing it.
> 
> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
> verified?
> 
> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
> 
> Go on.
>

Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.

I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island 
populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.

My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that 
your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.

-- 
  \|/  
(((Ï)))    -    Mr Ön!on, NPC 
 
When we shake the ketchup bottle 
At first none comes and then a lot'll.

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#3489083

Mr Ön!on wrote:
> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
>>
>>> If any.
>>
>> If any...what?
>>
>> What is your position, as if you have one.
>>
>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
>> argue, the bible is not verified?
>>
>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
>> from recognizing it.
>>
>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
>> verified?
>>
>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
>>
>> Go on.
>>
> 
> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
> 
> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
> 
> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
> 
We ma'e it a point not to agree with veggies. Especially onions.

-- 
We eat the night, we drink the time
Make our dreams come true
And hungry eyes are passing by
On streets we call the zoo

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#3489089

phoenix wrote:
> Mr Ön!on wrote:
>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>
>>>> If any.
>>>
>>> If any...what?
>>>
>>> What is your position, as if you have one.
>>>
>>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
>>> argue, the bible is not verified?
>>>
>>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
>>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
>>> from recognizing it.
>>>
>>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
>>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
>>> verified?
>>>
>>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
>>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
>>>
>>> Go on.
>>>
>>
>> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
>> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
>>
>> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
>> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
>>
>> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
>> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
>>
> We ma'e it a point not to agree with veggies. Especially onions.
> 
How would you explain there being no God when this message was with the 
minutes equal to 19? We wanted to do 420 because it is that kind of 
message that gets likes, but we invoked the omniscient deity and put the 
19 minutes because it's a holiday in the USA (which you would know 
nothing about being planted in a field in New Jersey), and it's the 
19th, instead of Father's Day? How do you refute such evidence of the 
Deity? Simple, you don't. Incapable and not even close to possessing 
what is required for the feat. Inconsequential and the verdict is that 
your agnosis is a disease. You know what else has that kind of thoughts? 
A virus, Mister Onion. It keeps going until it can no longer pursue its 
aims. I'm going to put a 45 minutes on this one because that is what 
Stonehenge says will wake the Saturn planet.

-- 
We eat the night, we drink the time
Make our dreams come true
And hungry eyes are passing by
On streets we call the zoo

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#3489104

phoenix wrote:
> phoenix wrote:
>> Mr Ön!on wrote:
>>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If any.
>>>>
>>>> If any...what?
>>>>
>>>> What is your position, as if you have one.
>>>>
>>>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
>>>> argue, the bible is not verified?
>>>>
>>>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
>>>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
>>>> from recognizing it.
>>>>
>>>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
>>>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
>>>> verified?
>>>>
>>>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
>>>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
>>>>
>>>> Go on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
>>> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
>>>
>>> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
>>> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
>>>
>>> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
>>> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
>>>
>> We ma'e it a point not to agree with veggies. Especially onions.
>>
> How would you explain there being no God when this message was with the 
> minutes equal to 19? We wanted to do 420 because it is that kind of 
> message that gets likes, but we invoked the omniscient deity and put the 
> 19 minutes because it's a holiday in the USA (which you would know 
> nothing about being planted in a field in New Jersey), and it's the 
> 19th, instead of Father's Day? How do you refute such evidence of the 
> Deity? Simple, you don't. Incapable and not even close to possessing 
> what is required for the feat. Inconsequential and the verdict is that 
> your agnosis is a disease. You know what else has that kind of thoughts? 
> A virus, Mister Onion. It keeps going until it can no longer pursue its 
> aims. I'm going to put a 45 minutes on this one because that is what 
> Stonehenge says will wake the Saturn planet.
> 
that's what idiots do

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#3489155

phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote:

> phoenix wrote:
> > Mr Ön!on wrote:
[...]
> >> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
> >> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
> >>
> >> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
> >> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
> >>
> >> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
> >> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
> >>
> > We ma'e it a point not to agree with veggies. Especially onions.
> > 
> How would you explain there being no God when this message was with the
> minutes equal to 19? We wanted to do 420 because it is that kind of 
> message that gets likes, but we invoked the omniscient deity and put the
> 19 minutes because it's a holiday in the USA (which you would know 
> nothing about being planted in a field in New Jersey), and it's the 
> 19th, instead of Father's Day? How do you refute such evidence of the
> Deity?  [...]

Nineteen is an impossible score at Cribbage, QED.

-- 
  \|/  
(((Ï)))    -    Mr Ön!on, NPC 
 
When we shake the ketchup bottle 
At first none comes and then a lot'll.

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#3489090

phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mr Ön!on wrote:
[...]
> > Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
> > Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
> > 
> > I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
> > populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
> > 
> > My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
> > your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
>  
> We ma'e it a point not to agree with veggies. Especially onions.

Hello, stalker.        [fu2: your home]

-- 
  \|/  
(((Ï)))    -    Mr Ön!on, NPC 
 
When we shake the ketchup bottle 
At first none comes and then a lot'll.

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#3489306

In article <1rwzcs8.hgnidn1l08cp5N%onion@anon.invalid>, onion@anon.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mr_=D6n!on?=) wrote:

> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
>> >
>>> > If any.
>> >
>> If any...what?
>> >
>> What is your position, as if you have one.
>> >
>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
>> argue, the bible is not verified?
>> >
>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
>> from recognizing it.
>> >
>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
>> verified?
>> >
>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
>> >
>> Go on.
>> >
>
> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
>
> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
>
> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
>

Your South Sea island belief and Christianity aren't really in the
same category.

If I simply invent a paradise with dancing wahines, I have no historical
documents, no witnesses, no archaeological support, no fulfilled
predictions, and no chain of transmission connecting my claim to real
events.

Christianity, whether one accepts it or not, is based on claims about
people, places, events, and historical figures that can be investigated
and debated. The question isn't whether Christians have faith; it's
whether that faith is based on evidence or completely detached from
evidence.

By your standard, we'd also have to say belief in Julius Caesar,
Socrates, or countless events in ancient history is just "blind faith"
because none of us personally witnessed them.

The real question isn't whether faith is involved. The question is
whether all faith is equally justified. I don't think they are.

-- 
Tom Mix

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#3489309

On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 09:57:39 +0000, Tom Mix
<tommix@mixmin.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
<1782122259.1133380060@85.12.62.219> wrote:

>Christianity, whether one accepts it or not, is based on claims about
>people, places, events, and historical figures that can be investigated
>and debated. The question isn't whether Christians have faith; it's
>whether that faith is based on evidence or completely detached from
>evidence.

Just what unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible
evidence supports it aside from a few geographical locations
and historical figures?

-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
display or support of religion or 
religious positions.

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#3489317

At Mon, 22 Jun 2026 06:44:15 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 09:57:39 +0000, Tom Mix
> <tommix@mixmin.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <1782122259.1133380060@85.12.62.219> wrote:
> 
> >Christianity, whether one accepts it or not, is based on claims about
> >people, places, events, and historical figures that can be investigated
> >and debated. The question isn't whether Christians have faith; it's
> >whether that faith is based on evidence or completely detached from
> >evidence.
> 
> Just what unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable and credible
> evidence supports it aside from a few geographical locations
> and historical figures?

I think Mix's discourse looks like it came from the same
place as his newsreader.

The bible is literature -- some of it doggerel, and some of it
rather interesting.  For example, take this bit from Luke 17:

 _ _ _ _ _ _ _
  11 And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the
midst of Samaria and Galilee.
  12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were
lepers, which stood afar off:
  13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on
us.
  14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the
priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
  15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a
loud voice glorified God,
  16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a
Samaritan.
  17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the
nine?
  18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this
stranger.
  19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.
  20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should
come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with
observation:
  21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of
God is within you.
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Tom:  Do you believe this to be true?  What does it mean to you?

Full disclosure:  I refer to the bible on occasion, despite not being
"Christian" according to some people.  (I used to say that I am a
"Theodore Parker Christian", but even that made a certain minister
uncomfortable, poor sap.

-- 
Doc Hammerslack
] The unspeakable PeE-Gospel of a million False Prophets is cursed 
] to be eternally of utmost concern to the fate of the planet. 

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#3489312

Tom Mix wrote:
> In article <1rwzcs8.hgnidn1l08cp5N%onion@anon.invalid>, onion@anon.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mr_=D6n!on?=) wrote:
>
>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>> If any.
>>> If any...what?
>>> What is your position, as if you have one.
>>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
>>> argue, the bible is not verified?
>>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
>>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
>>> from recognizing it.
>>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
>>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
>>> verified?
>>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
>>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
>>> Go on.
>> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
>> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
>>
>> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
>> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
>>
>> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
>> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
>>
> Your South Sea island belief and Christianity aren't really in the
> same category.
>
> If I simply invent a paradise with dancing wahines, I have no historical
> documents, no witnesses, no archaeological support, no fulfilled
> predictions, and no chain of transmission connecting my claim to real
> events.
>
> Christianity, whether one accepts it or not, is based on claims about
> people, places, events, and historical figures that can be investigated
> and debated. The question isn't whether Christians have faith; it's
> whether that faith is based on evidence or completely detached from
> evidence.
>
> By your standard, we'd also have to say belief in Julius Caesar,
> Socrates, or countless events in ancient history is just "blind faith"
> because none of us personally witnessed them.

no because there is contemporary evidence for those

>
> The real question isn't whether faith is involved. The question is
> whether all faith is equally justified. I don't think they are.
>


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#3489335

Tom Mix <tommix@mixmin.net> wrote:
> In article <1rwzcs8.hgnidn1l08cp5N%onion@anon.invalid>, onion@anon.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mr_=D6n!on?=) wrote:
> 
> > JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
> >> >
> >>> > If any.
> >> >
> >> If any...what?
> >> >
> >> What is your position, as if you have one.
> >> >
> >> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
> >> argue, the bible is not verified?
> >> >
> >> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
> >> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
> >> from recognizing it.
> >> >
> >> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
> >> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
> >> verified?
> >> >
> >> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
> >> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
> >> >
> >> Go on.
> >> >
> >
> > Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
> > Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
> >
> > I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
> > populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
> >
> > My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
> > your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
> >
> 
> Your South Sea island belief and Christianity aren't really in the
> same category.

South Sea islands really exist.  Therefore, dancing wahine
paradise must be real!

> 
> If I simply invent a paradise with dancing wahines, I have no historical
> documents, no witnesses, no archaeological support, no fulfilled
> predictions, and no chain of transmission connecting my claim to real
> events.

Just like the gospels.


> Christianity, whether one accepts it or not, is based on claims about
> people, places, events, and historical figures that can be investigated
> and debated. The question isn't whether Christians have faith; it's
> whether that faith is based on evidence or completely detached from
> evidence.

Faith is belief, in spite of the absense of evidence.
If you have evidence, you don't need faith.

> 
> By your standard, we'd also have to say belief in Julius Caesar,
> Socrates, or countless events in ancient history is just "blind faith"
> because none of us personally witnessed them.

Caesar is documented in eyewitness contemporary records.  We
know when he was born, when he died, and what his last words
were.

For Jesus, there are no eyewitness records and we don't
reliably know any of that.

> The real question isn't whether faith is involved. The question is
> whether all faith is equally justified. I don't think they are.

Agree.  Comparing of the 2 JCs is a good example.

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#3489366

Samuel Spade wrote:
> Tom Mix <tommix@mixmin.net> wrote:
>> In article <1rwzcs8.hgnidn1l08cp5N%onion@anon.invalid>, onion@anon.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mr_=D6n!on?=) wrote:
>>
>>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>>>> If any.
>>>> If any...what?
>>>> What is your position, as if you have one.
>>>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
>>>> argue, the bible is not verified?
>>>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
>>>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
>>>> from recognizing it.
>>>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
>>>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
>>>> verified?
>>>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
>>>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
>>>> Go on.
>>> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
>>> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
>>>
>>> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
>>> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
>>>
>>> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
>>> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
>>>
>> Your South Sea island belief and Christianity aren't really in the
>> same category.
> South Sea islands really exist.  Therefore, dancing wahine
> paradise must be real!
>
>> If I simply invent a paradise with dancing wahines, I have no historical
>> documents, no witnesses, no archaeological support, no fulfilled
>> predictions, and no chain of transmission connecting my claim to real
>> events.
> Just like the gospels.
>
>
>> Christianity, whether one accepts it or not, is based on claims about
>> people, places, events, and historical figures that can be investigated
>> and debated. The question isn't whether Christians have faith; it's
>> whether that faith is based on evidence or completely detached from
>> evidence.
> Faith is belief, in spite of the absense of evidence.
> If you have evidence, you don't need faith.

if there's no evidence then why believe

>
>> By your standard, we'd also have to say belief in Julius Caesar,
>> Socrates, or countless events in ancient history is just "blind faith"
>> because none of us personally witnessed them.
> Caesar is documented in eyewitness contemporary records.  We
> know when he was born, when he died, and what his last words
> were.
>
> For Jesus, there are no eyewitness records and we don't
> reliably know any of that.
>
>> The real question isn't whether faith is involved. The question is
>> whether all faith is equally justified. I don't think they are.
> Agree.  Comparing of the 2 JCs is a good example.


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#3489105

phoenix wrote:
> Mr Ön!on wrote:
>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
>>>
>>>> If any.
>>>
>>> If any...what?
>>>
>>> What is your position, as if you have one.
>>>
>>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
>>> argue, the bible is not verified?
>>>
>>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
>>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
>>> from recognizing it.
>>>
>>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
>>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
>>> verified?
>>>
>>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
>>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
>>>
>>> Go on.
>>>
>>
>> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
>> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
>>
>> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
>> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
>>
>> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
>> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
>>
> We ma'e it a point not to agree with veggies. Especially onions.
> 
that's what idiots say

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#3489108

In article 
<ZIicnftpMtF3Yqj3nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>, 
pursent100@gmail.com says...
> 
> phoenix wrote:
> > Mr Ön!on wrote:
> >> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If any.
> >>>
> >>> If any...what?
> >>>
> >>> What is your position, as if you have one.
> >>>
> >>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you
> >>> argue, the bible is not verified?
> >>>
> >>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a
> >>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you
> >>> from recognizing it.
> >>>
> >>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for),
> >>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not
> >>> verified?
> >>>
> >>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does,
> >>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..."
> >>>
> >>> Go on.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.
> >> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith.
> >>
> >> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island
> >> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts.
> >>
> >> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that
> >> your bible is true.  Do you agree?  If not, why not.
> >>
> > We ma'e it a point not to agree with veggies. Especially onions.
> > 
> that's what idiots say

i said it once does that count

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#3489120

On 6/19/26 4:30 PM, Mr Ön!on wrote:

> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true.

Okay so you're a retard so I have to point this out:

THAT IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT!

This is why when I challenged you to identify what exactly
you think you're counting, what position you are gaslighting
yourself into thinking you addressed, you couldn't do that.

Try again.



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