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| From | Axel <none@not.here> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism, sci.skeptic, alt.checkmate |
| Subject | Re: The Bible Inc. |
| Date | 2026-06-23 18:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <n9usroF6f7mU5@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <1rwzcs8.hgnidn1l08cp5N%onion@anon.invalid> <1782122259.1133380060@85.12.62.219> <vmgj3lh4di0ik8mn2j7oscllq5asl2cj89@4ax.com> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
Samuel Spade wrote: > Tom Mix <tommix@mixmin.net> wrote: >> In article <1rwzcs8.hgnidn1l08cp5N%onion@anon.invalid>, onion@anon.invalid (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mr_=D6n!on?=) wrote: >> >>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/26 5:28 AM, Attila wrote: >>>>>> If any. >>>> If any...what? >>>> What is your position, as if you have one. >>>> What are you claiming is NOT true because, as you >>>> argue, the bible is not verified? >>>> Be specific. The thread is specific, there is a >>>> context, even if your disorder(s) prevent you >>>> from recognizing it. >>>> What SPECIFICALLY are you arguing AGAINST (or for), >>>> using your meaningless claim that the bible is not >>>> verified? >>>> "THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY THAT, even though it does, >>>> BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERIFIED so..." >>>> Go on. >>> Without verification there is no proof that the bible is true. >>> Without proof, belief in the bible is no more than blind faith. >>> >>> I believe that when I die I will be sent to a south sea island >>> populated by beautiful dancing wahines in grass skirts. >>> >>> My faith in that belief is every bit as valid as your faith that >>> your bible is true. Do you agree? If not, why not. >>> >> Your South Sea island belief and Christianity aren't really in the >> same category. > South Sea islands really exist. Therefore, dancing wahine > paradise must be real! > >> If I simply invent a paradise with dancing wahines, I have no historical >> documents, no witnesses, no archaeological support, no fulfilled >> predictions, and no chain of transmission connecting my claim to real >> events. > Just like the gospels. > > >> Christianity, whether one accepts it or not, is based on claims about >> people, places, events, and historical figures that can be investigated >> and debated. The question isn't whether Christians have faith; it's >> whether that faith is based on evidence or completely detached from >> evidence. > Faith is belief, in spite of the absense of evidence. > If you have evidence, you don't need faith. if there's no evidence then why believe > >> By your standard, we'd also have to say belief in Julius Caesar, >> Socrates, or countless events in ancient history is just "blind faith" >> because none of us personally witnessed them. > Caesar is documented in eyewitness contemporary records. We > know when he was born, when he died, and what his last words > were. > > For Jesus, there are no eyewitness records and we don't > reliably know any of that. > >> The real question isn't whether faith is involved. The question is >> whether all faith is equally justified. I don't think they are. > Agree. Comparing of the 2 JCs is a good example. -- Linux Mint 22.3
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The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-17 15:51 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-17 18:12 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 22:15 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-19 05:28 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:07 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-19 21:30 +0100
Re: The Bible Inc. phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 16:19 -0600
Re: The Bible Inc. phoenix <j63840576@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 18:45 -0600
Re: The Bible Inc. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:49 -0700
Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 12:40 +0100
Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 02:14 +0100
Re: The Bible Inc. Tom Mix <tommix@mixmin.net> - 2026-06-22 09:57 +0000
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-22 06:44 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. "Doc Hammerslack" <dochammerslack@creon.earth> - 2026-06-22 12:03 +0000
Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-22 20:52 +1000
Re: The Bible Inc. Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> - 2026-06-22 16:28 -0700
Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-23 18:02 +1000
Re: The Bible Inc. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 19:50 -0700
Re: The Bible Inc. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-19 20:58 -0600
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 23:26 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-20 12:44 +0100
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 13:02 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-21 18:52 +0000
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-21 18:13 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-22 01:42 +0100
Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-22 19:39 +1000
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-22 12:50 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:27 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:12 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 10:39 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 14:29 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 12:19 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 18:10 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 16:28 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-23 11:26 +0100
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:07 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 00:57 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:20 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:17 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-24 10:43 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 14:33 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-26 17:29 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 18:17 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-27 11:58 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:03 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 06:49 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 09:09 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 17:50 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-21 14:01 +0000
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:29 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:22 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 14:01 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 01:00 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 00:23 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:27 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-06-23 23:52 +1000
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 18:47 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2026-06-24 00:36 +0100
Re: The Bible Inc. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 06:27 -0400
Re: The Bible Inc. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2026-06-23 10:10 -0500
Re: The Bible Inc. jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2026-06-23 17:38 +0000
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