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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?

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Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 18 May 2016 17:27:27 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <573D086F.5C0A@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Attila < wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:26:31 -0700, The Starmaker
> >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >benj wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> >> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
> >> >> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
> >> >> >>> would exist.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>        Without a creation your god would not exist.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>        Who created your creator?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, 'In the beginning..'
> >> >> >
> >> >> > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1.
> >> >> > the point in time or space at which something starts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > '...God created..'
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God..
> >> >> > it existed after God..God created the first...create.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.'
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
> >> >>
> >> >> Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation
> >> >> myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly
> >> >> advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE
> >> >> primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!)
> >> >>
> >> >> Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying
> >> >> creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on
> >> >> earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously
> >> >> a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or
> >> >> phases.
> >> >>
> >> >> Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about
> >> >> "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was
> >> >> there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws
> >> >> that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since
> >> >> we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the
> >> >> universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only
> >> >> as laws.
> >> >>
> >> >> Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not
> >> >> apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and
> >> >> observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically
> >> >> nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you
> >> >> can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are
> >> >> outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it
> >> >> all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists
> >> >> wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the
> >> >> part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already
> >> >> gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our
> >> >> "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something
> >> >> existing outside of time. So we make up stories.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >it is God created, not created God.
> >>
> >> Where is the evidence any god ever existed?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Quote from unverified source removed.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Quote from unverified source removed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "In"
> >> >
> >> >then,
> >> >
> >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "the"
> >> >
> >> >then
> >> >
> >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >then
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: (,)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Now, try to understand what the word "In" means...
> >> >
> >> >and "the"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >and "beginning".
> >>
> >> I see nothing about any god in there.
> >
> >
> >'In the beginning, ..." has nothing to do with any god.
> >
> >
> >It is about understanding what 'In the beginning, ...'
> >is...God comes in afterwards.
> 
> Please provide your evidence supporting the existence of any god.


He created the color Yellow on Earth.

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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-03 23:04 +0000
  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-04 16:00 -0500
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-05 19:50 +0000
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-07 07:45 -0500
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-07 16:15 +0200
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Jane <Jane@....> - 2016-05-08 06:51 +1000
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:24 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 00:25 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-08 08:45 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 23:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-09 18:14 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-05-10 15:47 -0700
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:01 -0500
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 14:39 -0700
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:25 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 17:33 -0700
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-07 17:02 +0000
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:31 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-12 08:22 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 18:50 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-13 17:20 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-14 02:27 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:05 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-16 22:14 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-17 06:38 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-05-17 07:12 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-17 23:21 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-18 03:30 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 11:26 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:46 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:03 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:22 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:34 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 11:59 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 17:59 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-21 07:41 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-21 18:44 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-22 07:55 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:34 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:34 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-22 17:12 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-23 15:47 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-23 22:43 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:03 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:15 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:56 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:30 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-24 18:26 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:04 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:16 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:56 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:31 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:27 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:35 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 12:00 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:00 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:29 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:12 -0500
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                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 18:40 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:33 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-19 17:34 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:21 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 03:45 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:13 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:05 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:34 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 00:59 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:49 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:06 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 11:57 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:01 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:35 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:00 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-20 12:15 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:02 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-21 07:42 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-21 18:45 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-22 07:58 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:35 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:35 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-22 17:14 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-23 15:48 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-23 22:45 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:04 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:17 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:58 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:29 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-18 15:44 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:08 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-18 15:38 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:36 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:02 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 15:57 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-17 16:39 +0000
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        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-10 12:59 -0700
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