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| Message-ID | <573F5E7F.6A9A@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
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| Date | 2016-05-20 11:59 -0700 |
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? |
| References | (8 earlier) <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> <2hipjb1go7mhf37fvkh0ggqikrih270mhl@4ax.com> <573D0753.29F5@ix.netcom.com> <bv5qjbhabbkir93e0rp1849uj043plros9@4ax.com> |
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Attila < wrote: > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 17:22:43 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <573D0753.29F5@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:46:04 -0700, The Starmaker > >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >The Starmaker wrote: > >> >> > >> >> benj wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> >> > > Mitchell Holman wrote: > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in > >> >> > >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing > >> >> > >>> would exist. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Without a creation your god would not exist. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Who created your creator? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > So, 'In the beginning..' > >> >> > > > >> >> > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning > >> >> > > > >> >> > > 1. > >> >> > > the point in time or space at which something starts. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > '...God created..' > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. > >> >> > > it existed after God..God created the first...create. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' > >> >> > > > >> >> > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- > >> >> > > >> >> > Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation > >> >> > myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly > >> >> > advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE > >> >> > primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) > >> >> > > >> >> > Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying > >> >> > creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on > >> >> > earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously > >> >> > a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or > >> >> > phases. > >> >> > > >> >> > Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about > >> >> > "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was > >> >> > there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws > >> >> > that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since > >> >> > we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the > >> >> > universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only > >> >> > as laws. > >> >> > > >> >> > Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not > >> >> > apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and > >> >> > observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically > >> >> > nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you > >> >> > can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are > >> >> > outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it > >> >> > all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists > >> >> > wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the > >> >> > part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already > >> >> > gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our > >> >> > "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something > >> >> > existing outside of time. So we make up stories. > >> >> > >> >> It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... > >> >> > >> >> it is God created, not created God. > >> >> > >> >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> >> > >> >> Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... > >> >> > >> >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> >> > >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" > >> >> > >> >> then, > >> >> > >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" > >> >> > >> >> then > >> >> > >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" > >> >> > >> >> then > >> >> > >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) > >> >> > >> >> Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... > >> >> > >> >> and "the" > >> >> > >> >> and "beginning". > >> > > >> > > >> >It is people like "benj", who make the mistake of assuming that > >> > > >> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' originated > >> >from the bible... > >> > >> It doesn't matter. Whatever the source it is unverified. > > > > > >My mistake, I meant to write: > > > > > >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' did not > >originated > >from the bible... > > It doesn't matter. The source whatever it is is not verified. God does not stamp his name on things.
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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-03 23:04 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-04 16:00 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-05 19:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-07 07:45 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-07 16:15 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Jane <Jane@....> - 2016-05-08 06:51 +1000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:24 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 00:25 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-08 08:45 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 23:24 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-09 18:14 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-05-10 15:47 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:01 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 14:39 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 17:33 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-07 17:02 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-12 08:22 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 18:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-13 17:20 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-14 02:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:05 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-16 22:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-17 06:38 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-05-17 07:12 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-17 23:21 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-18 03:30 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 11:26 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:46 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:03 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:22 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:34 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 11:59 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 17:59 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-21 07:41 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-21 18:44 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-22 07:55 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-22 17:12 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-23 15:47 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-23 22:43 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:03 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:15 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:30 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-24 18:26 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:04 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:16 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:31 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:27 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:35 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 12:00 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:00 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0600
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:29 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:12 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0600
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 18:40 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:33 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-19 17:34 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:21 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 03:45 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:05 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 00:59 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:49 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:06 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-20 11:57 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:01 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:35 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:00 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-20 12:15 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 18:02 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-21 07:42 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-21 18:45 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-22 07:58 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:35 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-22 10:35 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-22 17:14 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-23 15:48 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-23 22:45 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-24 14:04 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-24 15:17 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-25 15:58 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-26 04:29 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-18 15:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-18 15:38 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:36 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:02 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 15:57 -0600
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-17 16:39 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:21 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-10 12:59 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:04 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-14 18:04 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:14 -0500
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