Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?

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Date	2016-05-18 17:22 -0700
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?
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Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:46:04 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> benj wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> > > Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
> >> > >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to.  Without creation, nothing
> >> > >>> would exist.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>        Without a creation your god would not exist.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>        Who created your creator?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > So, 'In the beginning..'
> >> > >
> >> > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.
> >> > > the point in time or space at which something starts.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > '...God created..'
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God..
> >> > > it existed after God..God created the first...create.
> >> > >
> >> > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.'
> >> > >
> >> > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
> >> >
> >> > Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation
> >> > myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly
> >> > advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE
> >> > primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!)
> >> >
> >> > Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying
> >> > creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on
> >> > earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously
> >> > a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or
> >> > phases.
> >> >
> >> > Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about
> >> > "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was
> >> > there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws
> >> > that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since
> >> > we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the
> >> > universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only
> >> > as laws.
> >> >
> >> > Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not
> >> > apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and
> >> > observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically
> >> > nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you
> >> > can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are
> >> > outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it
> >> > all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists
> >> > wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the
> >> > part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already
> >> > gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our
> >> > "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something
> >> > existing outside of time. So we make up stories.
> >>
> >> It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events....
> >>
> >> it is God created, not created God.
> >>
> >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> >>
> >> Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge...
> >>
> >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
> >>
> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "In"
> >>
> >> then,
> >>
> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "the"
> >>
> >> then
> >>
> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning"
> >>
> >> then
> >>
> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: (,)
> >>
> >> Now, try to understand what the word "In" means...
> >>
> >> and "the"
> >>
> >> and "beginning".
> >
> >
> >It is people like "benj", who make the mistake of assuming that
> >
> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' originated
> >from the bible...
> 
> It doesn't matter.  Whatever the source it is unverified.


My mistake, I meant to write:


'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' did not
originated
from the bible...

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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-03 23:04 +0000
  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-04 16:00 -0500
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-05 19:50 +0000
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-07 07:45 -0500
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-07 16:15 +0200
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Jane <Jane@....> - 2016-05-08 06:51 +1000
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:24 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 00:25 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-08 08:45 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 23:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-09 18:14 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-05-10 15:47 -0700
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:01 -0500
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 14:39 -0700
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:25 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 17:33 -0700
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-07 17:02 +0000
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:31 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-12 08:22 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 18:50 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-13 17:20 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-14 02:27 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:05 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-16 22:14 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-17 06:38 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-05-17 07:12 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-17 23:21 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-18 03:30 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 11:26 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:46 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:03 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:22 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:34 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:27 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:35 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:29 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:12 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 18:40 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:33 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-19 17:34 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:21 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 03:45 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:13 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:05 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:34 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 00:59 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:49 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:06 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:35 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:00 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-18 15:44 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:08 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-18 15:38 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:36 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:02 -0400
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 15:57 -0600
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-17 16:39 +0000
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:21 +0000
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-10 12:59 -0700
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:04 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:35 +0000
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-14 18:04 -0700
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:14 -0500

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