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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2016-02-26 09:18 -0800 |
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unloock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-26 09:18 -0800
Re: unloock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-26 22:08 -0800
Re: unloock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-29 10:58 -0800
Re: unloock a phone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-01 14:25 +1100
Re: unloock a phone benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 22:32 -0500
Re: unloock a phone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-01 22:00 +1100
Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-04 11:27 -0800
Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-04 11:28 -0800
Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-04 11:29 -0800
Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-04 14:40 -0800
Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-12 09:55 -0800
Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-15 11:40 -0800
Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 16:46 -0700
Re: unlock a phone Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2016-04-22 04:41 -0700
Re: unlock a phone "Notroll2016" <notroll2015@charter.net> - 2016-04-22 10:02 -0500
Re: unlock a phone Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2016-04-22 09:00 -0700
Re: unlock a phone Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2016-03-04 13:14 -0700
Re: unloock a phone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-28 12:08 +1100
Re: unloock a phone "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com> - 2016-02-28 06:10 -0800
Re: unloock a phone Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-28 17:37 +0100
Re: unloock a phone Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2016-02-28 10:21 -0700
Re: unloock a phone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-29 11:24 +1100
Re: unloock a phone "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com> - 2016-02-28 16:50 -0800
Re: unloock a phone Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-02-29 19:52 +0000
[OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 23:30 +0800
Re: [OT] Wolffan <AKWolffan@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 17:53 -0500
Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 19:17 +0800
Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-28 19:59 -0800
Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 19:19 +0800
Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-29 14:44 -0800
Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 18:53 +0800
Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-01 14:16 -0800
Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 21:46 +0800
Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-02 18:24 -0800
Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-02 22:22 -0800
[OT] Go misc.phone.mobile.iphone "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 18:58 +0800
Re: unloock a phone, NO< its about them unlocking everyone's phones tesla sTinker <staff@truecarpentry.net> - 2016-03-13 11:27 -0700
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-26 09:18 -0800 |
| Subject | unloock a phone |
| Message-ID | <56D088CF.6970@ix.netcom.com> |
you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? How stupid can they be???? I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears stupid guys...but i didn't know they didn't know how to unlock a phone. Couldn't they simply do a google search? Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how... you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? i mean...How stupid can they be???? I mean I don't get it? I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right???? I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??" Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-26 22:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56D13D4C.AD@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282416 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? > > How stupid can they be???? > > I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears > stupid guys...but i didn't know > they didn't know how to unlock a phone. > > Couldn't they simply do a google search? > > Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how... > > you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? > > i mean...How stupid can they be???? > > I mean I don't get it? > > I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right???? > > I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and > ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??" > > Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE! I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop computer.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-29 10:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <56D494F2.30C5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282444 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? > > > > How stupid can they be???? > > > > I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears > > stupid guys...but i didn't know > > they didn't know how to unlock a phone. > > > > Couldn't they simply do a google search? > > > > Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how... > > > > you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? > > > > i mean...How stupid can they be???? > > > > I mean I don't get it? > > > > I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right???? > > > > I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and > > ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??" > > > > Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE! > > I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop > computer. The FBI needs Apple to disarm the feature that erases the content of iPhones on the 10th wrong password so that agents can gain access to the phone to learn if there are other sleeper cells or plots. When Apple refused the court order, Apple defenders claimed it was impossible to unlock the phone. In court papers filed last week, Apple admits that’s not true, but still claims an “unreasonable burden.”
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-03-01 14:25 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <djkgdgFu4f0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #282519 |
On 1/03/2016 5:58 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >>> >>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? >>> >>> How stupid can they be???? >>> >>> I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears >>> stupid guys...but i didn't know >>> they didn't know how to unlock a phone. >>> >>> Couldn't they simply do a google search? >>> >>> Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how... >>> >>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? >>> >>> i mean...How stupid can they be???? >>> >>> I mean I don't get it? >>> >>> I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right???? >>> >>> I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and >>> ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??" >>> >>> Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE! >> >> I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop >> computer. > > > The FBI needs Apple to disarm the feature that erases the content of > iPhones on the 10th wrong password so that agents can gain access to the > phone to learn if there are other sleeper cells or plots. > > When Apple refused the court order, Apple defenders claimed it was > impossible to unlock the phone. In court papers filed last week, Apple > admits that’s not true, but still claims an “unreasonable burden.” > Well, it is unreasonable. Apple's only link to the matter is that some time in the past it manufactured a phone, which was sold to a person. That person then committed an unlawful act, and possibly put some information about the unlawful act, or other unlawful acts, onto the phone. Why should Apple now be forced to use its own resources to aid the FBI? Should anyone capable of assisting the FBI in any respect be forced to do so? Sylvia.
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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-29 22:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <j38By.21380$ob.2683@fx37.iad> |
| In reply to | #282528 |
On 02/29/2016 10:25 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 1/03/2016 5:58 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>>>>
>>>> How stupid can they be????
>>>>
>>>> I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears
>>>> stupid guys...but i didn't know
>>>> they didn't know how to unlock a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Couldn't they simply do a google search?
>>>>
>>>> Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how...
>>>>
>>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>>>>
>>>> i mean...How stupid can they be????
>>>>
>>>> I mean I don't get it?
>>>>
>>>> I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for
>>>> digging tunnels, right????
>>>>
>>>> I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and
>>>> ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??"
>>>>
>>>> Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!
>>>
>>> I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop
>>> computer.
>>
>>
>> The FBI needs Apple to disarm the feature that erases the content of
>> iPhones on the 10th wrong password so that agents can gain access to the
>> phone to learn if there are other sleeper cells or plots.
>>
>> When Apple refused the court order, Apple defenders claimed it was
>> impossible to unlock the phone. In court papers filed last week, Apple
>> admits that’s not true, but still claims an “unreasonable burden.”
>>
>
> Well, it is unreasonable. Apple's only link to the matter is that some
> time in the past it manufactured a phone, which was sold to a person.
> That person then committed an unlawful act, and possibly put some
> information about the unlawful act, or other unlawful acts, onto the phone.
>
> Why should Apple now be forced to use its own resources to aid the FBI?
> Should anyone capable of assisting the FBI in any respect be forced to
> do so?
>
> Sylvia.
Of course they should. EVERYONE should. If you witnessed something about
the criminals (any criminals for that matter) and you won't tell then
for the security of everyone in the country you must be forced to tell
what you know even if it takes torture. Even if it takes removing all
your assets and preventing you from ever earning a living. Nothing
trumps security. There are no rights or freedoms so important that they
can't be overridden in the name of national security. That is a given.
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-03-01 22:00 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <djlb2jF5st4U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #282529 |
On 1/03/2016 2:32 PM, benj wrote: > On 02/29/2016 10:25 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 1/03/2016 5:58 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> >>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? >>>>> >>>>> How stupid can they be???? >>>>> >>>>> I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears >>>>> stupid guys...but i didn't know >>>>> they didn't know how to unlock a phone. >>>>> >>>>> Couldn't they simply do a google search? >>>>> >>>>> Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how... >>>>> >>>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? >>>>> >>>>> i mean...How stupid can they be???? >>>>> >>>>> I mean I don't get it? >>>>> >>>>> I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for >>>>> digging tunnels, right???? >>>>> >>>>> I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and >>>>> ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??" >>>>> >>>>> Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE! >>>> >>>> I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop >>>> computer. >>> >>> >>> The FBI needs Apple to disarm the feature that erases the content of >>> iPhones on the 10th wrong password so that agents can gain access to the >>> phone to learn if there are other sleeper cells or plots. >>> >>> When Apple refused the court order, Apple defenders claimed it was >>> impossible to unlock the phone. In court papers filed last week, Apple >>> admits that’s not true, but still claims an “unreasonable burden.” >>> >> >> Well, it is unreasonable. Apple's only link to the matter is that some >> time in the past it manufactured a phone, which was sold to a person. >> That person then committed an unlawful act, and possibly put some >> information about the unlawful act, or other unlawful acts, onto the >> phone. >> >> Why should Apple now be forced to use its own resources to aid the FBI? >> Should anyone capable of assisting the FBI in any respect be forced to >> do so? >> >> Sylvia. > > Of course they should. EVERYONE should. If you witnessed something about > the criminals (any criminals for that matter) and you won't tell then > for the security of everyone in the country you must be forced to tell > what you know even if it takes torture. Even if it takes removing all > your assets and preventing you from ever earning a living. Nothing > trumps security. There are no rights or freedoms so important that they > can't be overridden in the name of national security. That is a given. > > Anyway, Apple don't know anything about the criminals that the FBI doesn't already know. Sylvia.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-04 11:27 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <56D9E192.41AB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282528 |
Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and quickly unlock it.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-04 11:28 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <56D9E1E6.3C3A@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282640 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and > quickly unlock it. If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone. The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored in the chip.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-04 11:29 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <56D9E233.4689@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282641 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and > > quickly unlock it. > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone. > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored > in the chip. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959 work the problem.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-04 14:40 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <56DA0ECA.66F7@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282642 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. > > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and > > > quickly unlock it. > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone. > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored > > in the chip. > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959 > > work the problem. of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-12 09:55 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <56E457FA.6350@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282659 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. > > > > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and > > > > quickly unlock it. > > > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone. > > > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored > > > in the chip. > > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959 > > > > work the problem. > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time. if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage. All the FBI has to do is buy a garage..
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 11:40 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <56E86514.2DAB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282830 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. > > > > > > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and > > > > > quickly unlock it. > > > > > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone. > > > > > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored > > > > in the chip. > > > > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959 > > > > > > work the problem. > > > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time. > > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage. > > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage.. http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/ I guess the FBI won't be trying it...
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 16:46 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <5719664A.30BC@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #282922 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. > > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to > > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. > > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 > > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the > > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, > > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and > > > > > > quickly unlock it. > > > > > > > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they > > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the > > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone. > > > > > > > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by > > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can > > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored > > > > > in the chip. > > > > > > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959 > > > > > > > > work the problem. > > > > > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time. > > > > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a > > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage. > > > > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage.. > > http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/ > > I guess the FBI won't be trying it... FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone http://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-fbi-paid-more-than-1-million-to-hack-san-bernardino-iphone-1461266641 what does FBI stand for? Forever Bothering IPhones. where does the fbi get a million dollars from?
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| From | Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 04:41 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <4e3khbl5p0ov9t5srgmml89888ep6kk7v7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #284261 |
FAKERSHIT: TAXES! YOU REALLY ARE STUPID! Saul Levy On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:46:18 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >> > >> > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > >> > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > >> > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. >> > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to >> > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. >> > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 >> > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the >> > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, >> > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and >> > > > > > quickly unlock it. >> > > > > >> > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they >> > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the >> > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone. >> > > > > >> > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by >> > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can >> > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored >> > > > > in the chip. >> > > > >> > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959 >> > > > >> > > > work the problem. >> > > >> > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time. >> > >> > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a >> > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage. >> > >> > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage.. >> >> http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/ >> >> I guess the FBI won't be trying it... > > >FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone >http://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-fbi-paid-more-than-1-million-to-hack-san-bernardino-iphone-1461266641 > > >what does FBI stand for? Forever Bothering IPhones. > > >where does the fbi get a million dollars from?
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| From | "Notroll2016" <notroll2015@charter.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 10:02 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <nfdee8$18je$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #284268 |
SOLLY'S PHONE STILL HAS A DIAL. Notroll2016 "Saul Levy" wrote in message news:4e3khbl5p0ov9t5srgmml89888ep6kk7v7@4ax.com... FAKERSHIT: TAXES! YOU REALLY ARE STUPID! Saul Levy On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:46:18 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >> > >> > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > >> > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > >> > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with >> > > > > > Apple Inc. >> > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be >> > > > > > able to >> > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security >> > > > > > experts say. >> > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open >> > > > > > the A6 >> > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, >> > > > > > targeting the >> > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With >> > > > > > the key, >> > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another >> > > > > > computer and >> > > > > > quickly unlock it. >> > > > > >> > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, >> > > > > they >> > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the >> > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the >> > > > > phone. >> > > > > >> > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, >> > > > > would be by >> > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw >> > > > > that can >> > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s >> > > > > stored >> > > > > in the chip. >> > > > >> > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959 >> > > > >> > > > work the problem. >> > > >> > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the >> > > file and crack it on your own time. >> > >> > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a >> > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage. >> > >> > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage.. >> >> http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/ >> >> I guess the FBI won't be trying it... > > >FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone >http://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-fbi-paid-more-than-1-million-to-hack-san-bernardino-iphone-1461266641 > > >what does FBI stand for? Forever Bothering IPhones. > > >where does the fbi get a million dollars from?
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| From | Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 09:00 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <eiikhb94tpdbrhcq0rvbrv0uncknv66uel@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #284270 |
NO IT DOESN'T, YOU FUCKING IDIOT! TROLLS ARE EXTREMELY STUPID! WHY IS THAT TRUE? THEY ARE IDIOTS! Saul Levyl On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:02:36 -0500, "Notroll2016" <notroll2015@charter.net> wrote: >SOLLY'S PHONE STILL HAS A DIAL. > >Notroll2016 > >"Saul Levy" wrote in message >news:4e3khbl5p0ov9t5srgmml89888ep6kk7v7@4ax.com... > >FAKERSHIT: TAXES! > >YOU REALLY ARE STUPID! > >Saul Levy > > >On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:46:18 -0700, The Starmaker ><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >>The Starmaker wrote: >>> >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>> > >>> > The Starmaker wrote: >>> > > >>> > > The Starmaker wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > The Starmaker wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with >>> > > > > > Apple Inc. >>> > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be >>> > > > > > able to >>> > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security >>> > > > > > experts say. >>> > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open >>> > > > > > the A6 >>> > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, >>> > > > > > targeting the >>> > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With >>> > > > > > the key, >>> > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another >>> > > > > > computer and >>> > > > > > quickly unlock it. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, >>> > > > > they >>> > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the >>> > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the >>> > > > > phone. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, >>> > > > > would be by >>> > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw >>> > > > > that can >>> > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s >>> > > > > stored >>> > > > > in the chip. >>> > > > >>> > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959 >>> > > > >>> > > > work the problem. >>> > > >>> > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the >>> > > file and crack it on your own time. >>> > >>> > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a >>> > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage. >>> > >>> > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage.. >>> >>> http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/ >>> >>> I guess the FBI won't be trying it... >> >> >>FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone >>http://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-fbi-paid-more-than-1-million-to-hack-san-bernardino-iphone-1461266641 >> >> >>what does FBI stand for? Forever Bothering IPhones. >> >> >>where does the fbi get a million dollars from?
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| From | Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2016-03-04 13:14 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: unlock a phone |
| Message-ID | <d3rjdbh0irgptp3n45n5m50sm8a5hjdfgl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #282641 |
I'D CALL THAT A FAIRY FART, YOU PIECE OF FAKER SHIT! Saul Levy On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:28:38 -0800, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc. >> over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to >> extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say. >> But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming. >> >> Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6 >> microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the >> portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key, >> officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and >> quickly unlock it. > > >If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they >would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the >limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone. > >The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by >using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can >cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored >in the chip.
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 12:08 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <djevknFhclsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #282416 |
On 27/02/2016 4:18 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? > > > > How stupid can they be???? > > > I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears > stupid guys...but i didn't know > they didn't know how to unlock a phone. > > Couldn't they simply do a google search? > > Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how... > > > > you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone? > > > i mean...How stupid can they be???? > > > > I mean I don't get it? > > > I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right???? > > > I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and > ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??" > > > Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE! > You presumably think any competent hacker could get in. The problem is that hacking involves the exploitation of mistakes in software, and that exploitation requires that the software be willing to interact with the hacker to some extent. The phone is in a state where the only things it's willing to do is to accept and check a PIN, and presumably also to accept software updates signed by Apple. If that's all it will do, and trying multiple PINS will result in its being wiped, then either Apple has to sign a special version of the software, or the FBI are stuck. There are possible hardware attacks, but their feasibility depends on exactly how the hardware is structured. In addition, a hardware attack risks destroying the electronics, and with it the very information the FBI wants to recover. Sylvia.
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| From | "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 06:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <cdDAy.31414$vD2.25657@fx04.iad> |
| In reply to | #282476 |
Sylvia should stay in the kitchen, baking cookies and staying pregnant--leaving the computer hacking to real men. LOL
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2016-02-28 17:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1776773.bCSOUCjkUD@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #282485 |
Colonel Edmund J. Burke amok-crossposted misogynist bullshit
to 5(!) newsgroups:
> Sylvia should stay in the kitchen, baking cookies and staying
> pregnant--leaving the computer hacking to real men.
> LOL
Here’s a real *PLONK* for you for that, by a real man.
(Welcome to the 21st century.)
BTW:
“‘Hacking’ means playful cleverness. When people break security on a
computer, we refer to them as ‘crackers’; their activity is ‘cracking’,
which is distinguished from ‘hacking’.”
–RMS, Berne 2016, <https://youtu.be/7ZSPf7YnGfE?t=5342>
(I did not record the video, but I had the privilege to be there, and the
honor to meet RMS in person.)
See also:
<http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html>
<http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html>
F'up2 poster
PointedEars
--
Q: What did the nuclear physicist post on the laboratory door
when he went camping?
A: 'Gone fission'.
(from: WolframAlpha)
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