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unloock a phone

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2016-02-26 09:18 -0800
Last post2016-03-13 11:27 -0700
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  unloock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-26 09:18 -0800
    Re: unloock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-26 22:08 -0800
      Re: unloock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-29 10:58 -0800
        Re: unloock a phone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-01 14:25 +1100
          Re: unloock a phone benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 22:32 -0500
            Re: unloock a phone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-03-01 22:00 +1100
          Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-04 11:27 -0800
            Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-04 11:28 -0800
              Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-04 11:29 -0800
                Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-04 14:40 -0800
                  Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-12 09:55 -0800
                    Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-15 11:40 -0800
                      Re: unlock a phone The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 16:46 -0700
                        Re: unlock a phone Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2016-04-22 04:41 -0700
                          Re: unlock a phone "Notroll2016" <notroll2015@charter.net> - 2016-04-22 10:02 -0500
                            Re: unlock a phone Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2016-04-22 09:00 -0700
              Re: unlock a phone Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2016-03-04 13:14 -0700
    Re: unloock a phone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-28 12:08 +1100
      Re: unloock a phone "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com> - 2016-02-28 06:10 -0800
        Re: unloock a phone Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-28 17:37 +0100
        Re: unloock a phone Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2016-02-28 10:21 -0700
        Re: unloock a phone Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-29 11:24 +1100
          Re: unloock a phone "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com> - 2016-02-28 16:50 -0800
      Re: unloock a phone Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-02-29 19:52 +0000
    [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 23:30 +0800
      Re: [OT] Wolffan <AKWolffan@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 17:53 -0500
        Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 19:17 +0800
      Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-28 19:59 -0800
        Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 19:19 +0800
          Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-29 14:44 -0800
            Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 18:53 +0800
              Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-01 14:16 -0800
                Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 21:46 +0800
                  Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-02 18:24 -0800
                  Re: [OT] The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-02 22:22 -0800
    [OT] Go misc.phone.mobile.iphone "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 18:58 +0800
    Re: unloock a phone, NO< its about them unlocking everyone's phones tesla sTinker <staff@truecarpentry.net> - 2016-03-13 11:27 -0700

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#282416 — unloock a phone

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-02-26 09:18 -0800
Subjectunloock a phone
Message-ID<56D088CF.6970@ix.netcom.com>
you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?



How stupid can they be????


I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears
stupid guys...but i didn't know
they didn't know how to unlock a phone.

Couldn't they simply do a google search?

Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how...



you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?


i mean...How stupid can they be????



I mean I don't get it?


I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right????


I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and
ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??"


Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!

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#282444

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-02-26 22:08 -0800
Message-ID<56D13D4C.AD@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282416
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
> 
> How stupid can they be????
> 
> I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears
> stupid guys...but i didn't know
> they didn't know how to unlock a phone.
> 
> Couldn't they simply do a google search?
> 
> Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how...
> 
> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
> 
> i mean...How stupid can they be????
> 
> I mean I don't get it?
> 
> I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right????
> 
> I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and
> ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??"
> 
> Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!


I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop
computer.

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#282519

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-02-29 10:58 -0800
Message-ID<56D494F2.30C5@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282444
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
> >
> > How stupid can they be????
> >
> > I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears
> > stupid guys...but i didn't know
> > they didn't know how to unlock a phone.
> >
> > Couldn't they simply do a google search?
> >
> > Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how...
> >
> > you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
> >
> > i mean...How stupid can they be????
> >
> > I mean I don't get it?
> >
> > I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right????
> >
> > I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and
> > ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??"
> >
> > Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!
> 
> I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop
> computer.


The FBI needs Apple to disarm the feature that erases the content of
iPhones on the 10th wrong password so that agents can gain access to the
phone to learn if there are other sleeper cells or plots.

When Apple refused the court order, Apple defenders claimed it was
impossible to unlock the phone. In court papers filed last week, Apple
admits that’s not true, but still claims an “unreasonable burden.”

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#282528

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-03-01 14:25 +1100
Message-ID<djkgdgFu4f0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#282519
On 1/03/2016 5:58 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>>>
>>> How stupid can they be????
>>>
>>> I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears
>>> stupid guys...but i didn't know
>>> they didn't know how to unlock a phone.
>>>
>>> Couldn't they simply do a google search?
>>>
>>> Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how...
>>>
>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>>>
>>> i mean...How stupid can they be????
>>>
>>> I mean I don't get it?
>>>
>>> I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right????
>>>
>>> I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and
>>> ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??"
>>>
>>> Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!
>>
>> I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop
>> computer.
>
>
> The FBI needs Apple to disarm the feature that erases the content of
> iPhones on the 10th wrong password so that agents can gain access to the
> phone to learn if there are other sleeper cells or plots.
>
> When Apple refused the court order, Apple defenders claimed it was
> impossible to unlock the phone. In court papers filed last week, Apple
> admits that’s not true, but still claims an “unreasonable burden.”
>

Well, it is unreasonable. Apple's only link to the matter is that some 
time in the past it manufactured a phone, which was sold to a person. 
That person then committed an unlawful act, and possibly put some 
information about the unlawful act, or other unlawful acts, onto the phone.

Why should Apple now be forced to use its own resources to aid the FBI? 
Should anyone capable of assisting the FBI in any respect be forced to 
do so?

Sylvia.

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#282529

Frombenj <nobody@gmail.com>
Date2016-02-29 22:32 -0500
Message-ID<j38By.21380$ob.2683@fx37.iad>
In reply to#282528
On 02/29/2016 10:25 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 1/03/2016 5:58 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>>>>
>>>> How stupid can they be????
>>>>
>>>> I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears
>>>> stupid guys...but i didn't know
>>>> they didn't know how to unlock a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Couldn't they simply do a google search?
>>>>
>>>> Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how...
>>>>
>>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>>>>
>>>> i mean...How stupid can they be????
>>>>
>>>> I mean I don't get it?
>>>>
>>>> I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for
>>>> digging tunnels, right????
>>>>
>>>> I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and
>>>> ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??"
>>>>
>>>> Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!
>>>
>>> I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop
>>> computer.
>>
>>
>> The FBI needs Apple to disarm the feature that erases the content of
>> iPhones on the 10th wrong password so that agents can gain access to the
>> phone to learn if there are other sleeper cells or plots.
>>
>> When Apple refused the court order, Apple defenders claimed it was
>> impossible to unlock the phone. In court papers filed last week, Apple
>> admits that’s not true, but still claims an “unreasonable burden.”
>>
>
> Well, it is unreasonable. Apple's only link to the matter is that some
> time in the past it manufactured a phone, which was sold to a person.
> That person then committed an unlawful act, and possibly put some
> information about the unlawful act, or other unlawful acts, onto the phone.
>
> Why should Apple now be forced to use its own resources to aid the FBI?
> Should anyone capable of assisting the FBI in any respect be forced to
> do so?
>
> Sylvia.

Of course they should. EVERYONE should. If you witnessed something about 
the criminals (any criminals for that matter) and you won't tell then 
for the security of everyone in the country you must be forced to tell 
what you know even if it takes torture. Even if it takes removing all 
your assets and preventing you from ever earning a living. Nothing 
trumps security. There are no rights or freedoms so important that they 
can't be overridden in the name of national security. That is a given.


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#282534

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-03-01 22:00 +1100
Message-ID<djlb2jF5st4U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#282529
On 1/03/2016 2:32 PM, benj wrote:
> On 02/29/2016 10:25 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 1/03/2016 5:58 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>>>>>
>>>>> How stupid can they be????
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears
>>>>> stupid guys...but i didn't know
>>>>> they didn't know how to unlock a phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Couldn't they simply do a google search?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how...
>>>>>
>>>>> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>>>>>
>>>>> i mean...How stupid can they be????
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean I don't get it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for
>>>>> digging tunnels, right????
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and
>>>>> ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??"
>>>>>
>>>>> Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!
>>>>
>>>> I suspect what the problem is...the FBI don't know how to use a desktop
>>>> computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> The FBI needs Apple to disarm the feature that erases the content of
>>> iPhones on the 10th wrong password so that agents can gain access to the
>>> phone to learn if there are other sleeper cells or plots.
>>>
>>> When Apple refused the court order, Apple defenders claimed it was
>>> impossible to unlock the phone. In court papers filed last week, Apple
>>> admits that’s not true, but still claims an “unreasonable burden.”
>>>
>>
>> Well, it is unreasonable. Apple's only link to the matter is that some
>> time in the past it manufactured a phone, which was sold to a person.
>> That person then committed an unlawful act, and possibly put some
>> information about the unlawful act, or other unlawful acts, onto the
>> phone.
>>
>> Why should Apple now be forced to use its own resources to aid the FBI?
>> Should anyone capable of assisting the FBI in any respect be forced to
>> do so?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Of course they should. EVERYONE should. If you witnessed something about
> the criminals (any criminals for that matter) and you won't tell then
> for the security of everyone in the country you must be forced to tell
> what you know even if it takes torture. Even if it takes removing all
> your assets and preventing you from ever earning a living. Nothing
> trumps security. There are no rights or freedoms so important that they
> can't be overridden in the name of national security. That is a given.
>
>
Anyway, Apple don't know anything about the criminals that the FBI 
doesn't already know.

Sylvia.

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#282640 — Re: unlock a phone

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-03-04 11:27 -0800
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<56D9E192.41AB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282528
Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.

Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
quickly unlock it.

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#282641 — Re: unlock a phone

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-03-04 11:28 -0800
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<56D9E1E6.3C3A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282640
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
> over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
> extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
> But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
> 
> Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
> microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
> portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
> officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
> quickly unlock it.


If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they
would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone.

The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by
using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can
cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored
in the chip.

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#282642 — Re: unlock a phone

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-03-04 11:29 -0800
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<56D9E233.4689@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282641
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
> > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
> > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
> > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
> >
> > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
> > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
> > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
> > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
> > quickly unlock it.
> 
> If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they
> would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
> limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone.
> 
> The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by
> using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can
> cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored
> in the chip.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959



work the problem.

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#282659 — Re: unlock a phone

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-03-04 14:40 -0800
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<56DA0ECA.66F7@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282642
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
> > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
> > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
> > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
> > >
> > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
> > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
> > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
> > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
> > > quickly unlock it.
> >
> > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they
> > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
> > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone.
> >
> > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by
> > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can
> > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored
> > in the chip.
> 
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959
> 
> work the problem.


of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time.

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#282830 — Re: unlock a phone

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-03-12 09:55 -0800
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<56E457FA.6350@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282659
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
> > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
> > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
> > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
> > > >
> > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
> > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
> > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
> > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
> > > > quickly unlock it.
> > >
> > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they
> > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
> > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone.
> > >
> > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by
> > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can
> > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored
> > > in the chip.
> >
> > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959
> >
> > work the problem.
> 
> of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time.


if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a
monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage.


All the FBI has to do is buy a garage..

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#282922 — Re: unlock a phone

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-03-15 11:40 -0800
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<56E86514.2DAB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282830
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
> > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
> > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
> > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
> > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
> > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
> > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
> > > > > quickly unlock it.
> > > >
> > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they
> > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
> > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone.
> > > >
> > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by
> > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can
> > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored
> > > > in the chip.
> > >
> > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959
> > >
> > > work the problem.
> >
> > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time.
> 
> if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a
> monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage.
> 
> All the FBI has to do is buy a garage..



http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/


I guess the FBI won't be trying it...

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#284261 — Re: unlock a phone

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-21 16:46 -0700
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<5719664A.30BC@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#282922
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
> > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
> > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
> > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
> > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
> > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
> > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
> > > > > > quickly unlock it.
> > > > >
> > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they
> > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
> > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone.
> > > > >
> > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by
> > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can
> > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored
> > > > > in the chip.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959
> > > >
> > > > work the problem.
> > >
> > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time.
> >
> > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a
> > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage.
> >
> > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage..
> 
> http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/
> 
> I guess the FBI won't be trying it...


FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone
http://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-fbi-paid-more-than-1-million-to-hack-san-bernardino-iphone-1461266641


what does FBI stand for? Forever Bothering IPhones.


where does the fbi get a million dollars from?

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#284268 — Re: unlock a phone

FromSaul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net>
Date2016-04-22 04:41 -0700
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<4e3khbl5p0ov9t5srgmml89888ep6kk7v7@4ax.com>
In reply to#284261
FAKERSHIT:  TAXES!

YOU REALLY ARE STUPID!

Saul Levy


On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:46:18 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>> >
>> > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
>> > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
>> > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
>> > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
>> > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
>> > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
>> > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
>> > > > > > quickly unlock it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they
>> > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
>> > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by
>> > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can
>> > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored
>> > > > > in the chip.
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959
>> > > >
>> > > > work the problem.
>> > >
>> > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the file and crack it on your own time.
>> >
>> > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a
>> > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage.
>> >
>> > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage..
>> 
>> http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/
>> 
>> I guess the FBI won't be trying it...
>
>
>FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone
>http://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-fbi-paid-more-than-1-million-to-hack-san-bernardino-iphone-1461266641
>
>
>what does FBI stand for? Forever Bothering IPhones.
>
>
>where does the fbi get a million dollars from?

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#284270 — Re: unlock a phone

From"Notroll2016" <notroll2015@charter.net>
Date2016-04-22 10:02 -0500
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<nfdee8$18je$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#284268
SOLLY'S PHONE STILL HAS A DIAL.

Notroll2016

"Saul Levy"  wrote in message 
news:4e3khbl5p0ov9t5srgmml89888ep6kk7v7@4ax.com...

FAKERSHIT:  TAXES!

YOU REALLY ARE STUPID!

Saul Levy


On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:46:18 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>> >
>> > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with 
>> > > > > > Apple Inc.
>> > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be 
>> > > > > > able to
>> > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security 
>> > > > > > experts say.
>> > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open 
>> > > > > > the A6
>> > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, 
>> > > > > > targeting the
>> > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With 
>> > > > > > the key,
>> > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another 
>> > > > > > computer and
>> > > > > > quickly unlock it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, 
>> > > > > they
>> > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
>> > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the 
>> > > > > phone.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, 
>> > > > > would be by
>> > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw 
>> > > > > that can
>> > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s 
>> > > > > stored
>> > > > > in the chip.
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959
>> > > >
>> > > > work the problem.
>> > >
>> > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the 
>> > > file and crack it on your own time.
>> >
>> > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a
>> > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage.
>> >
>> > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage..
>>
>> http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/
>>
>> I guess the FBI won't be trying it...
>
>
>FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone
>http://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-fbi-paid-more-than-1-million-to-hack-san-bernardino-iphone-1461266641
>
>
>what does FBI stand for? Forever Bothering IPhones.
>
>
>where does the fbi get a million dollars from? 

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#284271 — Re: unlock a phone

FromSaul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net>
Date2016-04-22 09:00 -0700
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<eiikhb94tpdbrhcq0rvbrv0uncknv66uel@4ax.com>
In reply to#284270
NO IT DOESN'T, YOU FUCKING IDIOT!

TROLLS ARE EXTREMELY STUPID!

WHY IS THAT TRUE?

THEY ARE IDIOTS!

Saul Levyl


On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:02:36 -0500, "Notroll2016"
<notroll2015@charter.net> wrote:

>SOLLY'S PHONE STILL HAS A DIAL.
>
>Notroll2016
>
>"Saul Levy"  wrote in message 
>news:4e3khbl5p0ov9t5srgmml89888ep6kk7v7@4ax.com...
>
>FAKERSHIT:  TAXES!
>
>YOU REALLY ARE STUPID!
>
>Saul Levy
>
>
>On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:46:18 -0700, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The Starmaker wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > The Starmaker wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with 
>>> > > > > > Apple Inc.
>>> > > > > > over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be 
>>> > > > > > able to
>>> > > > > > extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security 
>>> > > > > > experts say.
>>> > > > > > But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open 
>>> > > > > > the A6
>>> > > > > > microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, 
>>> > > > > > targeting the
>>> > > > > > portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With 
>>> > > > > > the key,
>>> > > > > > officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another 
>>> > > > > > computer and
>>> > > > > > quickly unlock it.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, 
>>> > > > > they
>>> > > > > would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
>>> > > > > limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the 
>>> > > > > phone.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, 
>>> > > > > would be by
>>> > > > > using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw 
>>> > > > > that can
>>> > > > > cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s 
>>> > > > > stored
>>> > > > > in the chip.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > http://www.wsj.com/articles/chip-hacking-might-help-fbi-unlock-iphones-1457050959
>>> > > >
>>> > > > work the problem.
>>> > >
>>> > > of course, this is just an old old hack, like making a copy of the 
>>> > > file and crack it on your own time.
>>> >
>>> > if you can get a monkey to type the whole collection of Shakespeare...a
>>> > monkey can unlock an iPhone in his garage.
>>> >
>>> > All the FBI has to do is buy a garage..
>>>
>>> http://fortune.com/2016/03/15/google-doubled-reward-hack-chromebook/
>>>
>>> I guess the FBI won't be trying it...
>>
>>
>>FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone
>>http://www.wsj.com/articles/comey-fbi-paid-more-than-1-million-to-hack-san-bernardino-iphone-1461266641
>>
>>
>>what does FBI stand for? Forever Bothering IPhones.
>>
>>
>>where does the fbi get a million dollars from?

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#282645 — Re: unlock a phone

FromSaul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net>
Date2016-03-04 13:14 -0700
SubjectRe: unlock a phone
Message-ID<d3rjdbh0irgptp3n45n5m50sm8a5hjdfgl@4ax.com>
In reply to#282641
I'D CALL THAT A FAIRY FART, YOU PIECE OF FAKER SHIT!

Saul Levy


On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 11:28:38 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> Even if the Justice Department loses its legal showdown with Apple Inc.
>> over access to a killer’s iPhone, the government might still be able to
>> extract the data locked away inside it, computer-security experts say.
>> But it would be risky, expensive and time-consuming.
>> 
>> Those experts say officials could try to physically crack open the A6
>> microprocessor inside the phone of Syed Rizwan Farook, targeting the
>> portion of the chip that holds the user ID, or UID, key. With the key,
>> officials could move the iPhone’s scrambled data to another computer and
>> quickly unlock it.
>
>
>If agents were able to obtain it by probing the chip, however, they
>would then only need to guess Mr. Farook’s passcode, free of the
>limitations that have so far prevented them from accessing the phone.
>
>The most likely method to extract the key, the experts said, would be by
>using a focused ion beam—essentially a very precise atomic saw that can
>cut through the chip’s outer structures to expose the 1s and 0s stored
>in the chip.

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#282476

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-02-28 12:08 +1100
Message-ID<djevknFhclsU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#282416
On 27/02/2016 4:18 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>
>
>
> How stupid can they be????
>
>
> I mean...I know the FBI are just a bunch of wet behind the ears
> stupid guys...but i didn't know
> they didn't know how to unlock a phone.
>
> Couldn't they simply do a google search?
>
> Or some 3 year old on youtube could should show them how...
>
>
>
> you mean to tell me the F.B.I don't know how to unlock a phone?
>
>
> i mean...How stupid can they be????
>
>
>
> I mean I don't get it?
>
>
> I mean, if you want to bust out of jail, you do a google search for digging tunnels, right????
>
>
> I mean, a FBI guy should be able to go home and
> ask his 6 year old son "Can you unlock this for me??"
>
>
> Even a 3 year old knows you don't call APPLE!
>

You presumably think any competent hacker could get in.

The problem is that hacking involves the exploitation of mistakes in 
software, and that exploitation requires that the software be willing to 
interact with the hacker to some extent.

The phone is in a state where the only things it's willing to do is to 
accept and check a PIN, and presumably also to accept software updates 
signed by Apple. If that's all it will do, and trying multiple PINS will 
result in its being wiped, then either Apple has to sign a special 
version of the software, or the FBI are stuck.

There are possible hardware attacks, but their feasibility depends on 
exactly how the hardware is structured. In addition, a hardware attack 
risks destroying the electronics, and with it the very information the 
FBI wants to recover.

Sylvia.

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#282485

From"Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com>
Date2016-02-28 06:10 -0800
Message-ID<cdDAy.31414$vD2.25657@fx04.iad>
In reply to#282476
Sylvia should stay in the kitchen, baking cookies and staying 
pregnant--leaving the computer hacking to real men.
LOL


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#282491

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2016-02-28 17:37 +0100
Message-ID<1776773.bCSOUCjkUD@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#282485
Colonel Edmund J. Burke amok-crossposted misogynist bullshit
to 5(!) newsgroups:

> Sylvia should stay in the kitchen, baking cookies and staying
> pregnant--leaving the computer hacking to real men.
> LOL

Here’s a real *PLONK* for you for that, by a real man.

(Welcome to the 21st century.)

BTW:

  “‘Hacking’ means playful cleverness.  When people break security on a 
   computer, we refer to them as ‘crackers’; their activity is ‘cracking’,
   which is distinguished from ‘hacking’.”
    –RMS, Berne 2016, <https://youtu.be/7ZSPf7YnGfE?t=5342>

(I did not record the video, but I had the privilege to be there, and the 
honor to meet RMS in person.)

See also:

<http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hacker.html>
<http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html>


F'up2 poster

PointedEars
-- 
Q: What did the nuclear physicist post on the laboratory door
   when he went camping?  
A: 'Gone fission'.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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