Re: The Government's War on Encryption

From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: The Government's War on Encryption
Date	2017-07-25 23:10 +0000
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Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:ol3ae0$18mr$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> A new law proposed by Turnbull appears to be aimed at 
>>>>>>>>>>>> undermining
>>>>>>>>>>>> the security of all popular online services using encryption
>>>>>>>>>>>> to secure user's data. Particularly those offering end-to-end
>>>>>>>>>>>> encryption which ensures that even the service operators have
>>>>>>>>>>>> no way of accessing data stored and transferred through their
>>>>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With this in mind, I feel it should be asked:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If terrorism enables the erosion of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities offered by the internet,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Taint gunna happen, you watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the key projects of the Western world in the 21st 
>>>>>>>>>>>> century,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 20th, actually.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh yes, never noticed. Funny that. Or perhaps I just meant that 
>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>> been advanced and popularised significantly during the 21st 
>>>>>>>>>> century?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> has it not, to some extent, begun to win?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And whatever that fool Turdbull wants, isnt going to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no way that Apple will be providing anything that
>>>>>>>>>>> allows govt to snoop on what you are doing and even if
>>>>>>>>>>> they were that stupid, it completely trivial to ensure that
>>>>>>>>>>> govt can't do that, whatever legislation govt produces.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The internet isn't all run by Apple (thankfully),
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, but that was just one example of an operation that
>>>>>>>>> wouldn?t do that even if Turdbull did make that law here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I doubt Apple would do it even if it was law in the US either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rubbish,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'll see...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple have been part of NSA's Prism program since
>>>>>>>> 2012, along with Google, Facebook, and more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How odd that the FBI had to try to get the court to order them to
>>>>>>> assist with getting the data they wanted from a particular phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While Apple were looking to clear their name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage.
>>>>
>>>> OK, if you insist.
>>>>
>>>>>> The NSA and the FBI doubless don't share the
>>>>>> same relationships with companies anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage.
>>>>
>>>> OK, if you insist.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> True they might not have known if they were hacked, but
>>>>>>>> they didn't go into panic mode when they found out either.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> They fixed the problem when it became clear what had happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The NSA documents released didn't describe the
>>>>>> actual exploits or backdoors used, so how would
>>>>>> we know whether everything was fixed or not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because we know that the exploit that was used to get the
>>>>> info the FBI wanted by the 3rd party is not there any longer,
>>>>> so that technique can't be used with updated phones now.
>>>>
>>>> One backdoor being fixed doesn't mean that every backdoor was
>>>> fixed.
>>>
>>> Yet another straw man being thrashed.
> 
>> So you don't care whether they "fixed the problem" or not?
> 
> I know they did fix that particular problem.

If they fixed one particular means of access used by the NSA,
that doesn't fix the problem of the NSA using other means to
access data.

>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just because some fool journo claims something...
>>>>>
>>>>>> But when they claim something while showing the
>>>>>> actual slides from the NSA describing the system...
>>>>>
>>>>> You have no idea where those slides came from.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NSA certainly doesn't admit that they are theirs.
>>>>
>>>> Then Snowden and the Guardian went to
>>>> quite a lot of trouble just to make up a story.
>>>
>>> But you don?t know where he got those slides from.
>>
>> But the yanks want to arrest him for the leak,
> 
> He leaked a hell of a lot  more than just that.

So why would he back the Guardian when they only publish things
they've made up?

>> so why would he set himself up as the
>> fall guy when the story is fake anyway?
> 
> No one really knows why he did what he did.
> 
>>> And it isnt relevant to your stupid claim about Apple anyway.
> 
>> Of course it is, the slides mention Apple.
> 
> But don?t say anything like what you claimed about Apple.

I claimed that they show the NSA had access to their customer
data. Whether that was by accident or design on Apple's part
is unknown.

>> We don't know whether they deliberately
>> allowed the NSA access or not.
> 
> Yes we do. They didn?t. 

Oh, OK. Well that's settled then.

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