Re: The Government's War on Encryption

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: The Government's War on Encryption
Date	2017-07-24 11:13 +1000
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"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> A new law proposed by Turnbull appears to be aimed at 
>>>>>>>>>>> undermining
>>>>>>>>>>> the security of all popular online services using encryption
>>>>>>>>>>> to secure user's data. Particularly those offering end-to-end
>>>>>>>>>>> encryption which ensures that even the service operators have
>>>>>>>>>>> no way of accessing data stored and transferred through their
>>>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With this in mind, I feel it should be asked:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If terrorism enables the erosion of the
>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities offered by the internet,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Taint gunna happen, you watch.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> one of the key projects of the Western world in the 21st 
>>>>>>>>>>> century,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 20th, actually.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh yes, never noticed. Funny that. Or perhaps I just meant that 
>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>> been advanced and popularised significantly during the 21st 
>>>>>>>>> century?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> has it not, to some extent, begun to win?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And whatever that fool Turdbull wants, isnt going to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no way that Apple will be providing anything that
>>>>>>>>>> allows govt to snoop on what you are doing and even if
>>>>>>>>>> they were that stupid, it completely trivial to ensure that
>>>>>>>>>> govt can't do that, whatever legislation govt produces.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The internet isn't all run by Apple (thankfully),
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, but that was just one example of an operation that
>>>>>>>> wouldn?t do that even if Turdbull did make that law here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I doubt Apple would do it even if it was law in the US either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rubbish,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll see...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple have been part of NSA's Prism program since
>>>>>>> 2012, along with Google, Facebook, and more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How odd that the FBI had to try to get the court to order them to
>>>>>> assist with getting the data they wanted from a particular phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> While Apple were looking to clear their name.
>>>>
>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage.
>>>
>>> OK, if you insist.
>>>
>>>>> The NSA and the FBI doubless don't share the
>>>>> same relationships with companies anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage.
>>>
>>> OK, if you insist.
>>>
>>>>>>> True they might not have known if they were hacked, but
>>>>>>> they didn't go into panic mode when they found out either.
>>>>
>>>>>> They fixed the problem when it became clear what had happened.
>>>>
>>>>> The NSA documents released didn't describe the
>>>>> actual exploits or backdoors used, so how would
>>>>> we know whether everything was fixed or not?
>>>>
>>>> Because we know that the exploit that was used to get the
>>>> info the FBI wanted by the 3rd party is not there any longer,
>>>> so that technique can't be used with updated phones now.
>>>
>>> One backdoor being fixed doesn't mean that every backdoor was
>>> fixed.
>>
>> Yet another straw man being thrashed.

> So you don't care whether they "fixed the problem" or not?

I know they did fix that particular problem.

>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
>>>>
>>>>>> Just because some fool journo claims something...
>>>>
>>>>> But when they claim something while showing the
>>>>> actual slides from the NSA describing the system...
>>>>
>>>> You have no idea where those slides came from.
>>>>
>>>> The NSA certainly doesn't admit that they are theirs.
>>>
>>> Then Snowden and the Guardian went to
>>> quite a lot of trouble just to make up a story.
>>
>> But you don?t know where he got those slides from.
>
> But the yanks want to arrest him for the leak,

He leaked a hell of a lot  more than just that.

> so why would he set himself up as the
> fall guy when the story is fake anyway?

No one really knows why he did what he did.

>> And it isnt relevant to your stupid claim about Apple anyway.

> Of course it is, the slides mention Apple.

But don’t say anything like what you claimed about Apple.

> We don't know whether they deliberately
> allowed the NSA access or not.

Yes we do. They didn’t.

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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-25 23:10 +0000
                Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 15:23 +1000
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      Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 17:31 +1000

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