Re: The Government's War on Encryption

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: The Government's War on Encryption
Date	2017-07-23 02:31 +1000
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"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:okop2e$13bj$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:okc8kb$111$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>>>> A new law proposed by Turnbull appears to be aimed at undermining
>>>>>>> the security of all popular online services using encryption
>>>>>>> to secure user's data. Particularly those offering end-to-end
>>>>>>> encryption which ensures that even the service operators have
>>>>>>> no way of accessing data stored and transferred through their
>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With this in mind, I feel it should be asked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If terrorism enables the erosion of the
>>>>>>> capabilities offered by the internet,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taint gunna happen, you watch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> one of the key projects of the Western world in the 21st century,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 20th, actually.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yes, never noticed. Funny that. Or perhaps I just meant that its
>>>>> been advanced and popularised significantly during the 21st century?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> has it not, to some extent, begun to win?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And whatever that fool Turdbull wants, isnt going to happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no way that Apple will be providing anything that
>>>>>> allows govt to snoop on what you are doing and even if
>>>>>> they were that stupid, it completely trivial to ensure that
>>>>>> govt can't do that, whatever legislation govt produces.
>>>>>
>>>>> The internet isn't all run by Apple (thankfully),
>>>>
>>>> Sure, but that was just one example of an operation that
>>>> wouldn?t do that even if Turdbull did make that law here.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt Apple would do it even if it was law in the US either.
>>>
>>> Rubbish,
>>
>> We'll see...
>>
>>> Apple have been part of NSA's Prism program since
>>> 2012, along with Google, Facebook, and more.
>>
>> How odd that the FBI had to try to get the court to order them to
>> assist with getting the data they wanted from a particular phone.
>
> While Apple were looking to clear their name.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> The NSA and the FBI doubless don't share the
> same relationships with companies anyway.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

>>> True they might not have known if they were hacked, but
>>> they didn't go into panic mode when they found out either.

>> They fixed the problem when it became clear what had happened.

> The NSA documents released didn't describe the
> actual exploits or backdoors used, so how would
> we know whether everything was fixed or not?

Because we know that the exploit that was used to get the
info the FBI wanted by the 3rd party is not there any longer,
so that technique can't be used with updated phones now.

>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

>> Just because some fool journo claims something...

> But when they claim something while showing the
> actual slides from the NSA describing the system...

You have no idea where those slides came from.

The NSA certainly doesn’t admit that they are theirs.

>>>>> and it's not always trivial to ensure that other people are able
>>>>> to use systems that you have cause to believe are still secure.
>>
>>>> Sure, but that?s irrelevant to whether
>>>> that law would work here, it wouldn?t.
>>>>
>>>> The govt is now legally free to do anything it likes
>>>> with respect to fucking over your system to snoop
>>>> on it, but Apple particularly goes out of its way to
>>>> stop that happening and even refuses court orders
>>>> to fuck over a system that they have produced.
>>>>
>>>>>> Its all just more mindless piss and wind from pollys.
>>>>
>>>>> The pollys in America and the UK have already
>>>>> done a pretty good job of making it reality.
>>>>
>>>> Like hell they have with the most secure systems.
>>
>>> Nonsense,
>>
>> Fact.
>>
>>> the yanks forced the Lavabit email service, that was used by
>>> Edward Snowden, to close in 2013 because they refused to
>>> install a backdoor which would have allowed the government
>>> access to all of their user's encrypted email data:
>>
>> And nothing even remotely like that happened with Apple.
>
> Again: The internet isn't just Apple.

Having fun thrashing yet another straw man ?

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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-25 23:10 +0000
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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-27 23:01 +0000
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      Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 17:31 +1000

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