Re: The Government's War on Encryption

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: The Government's War on Encryption
Date	2017-07-23 11:14 +1000
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"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> A new law proposed by Turnbull appears to be aimed at undermining
>>>>>>>>> the security of all popular online services using encryption
>>>>>>>>> to secure user's data. Particularly those offering end-to-end
>>>>>>>>> encryption which ensures that even the service operators have
>>>>>>>>> no way of accessing data stored and transferred through their
>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With this in mind, I feel it should be asked:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If terrorism enables the erosion of the
>>>>>>>>> capabilities offered by the internet,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Taint gunna happen, you watch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> one of the key projects of the Western world in the 21st century,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 20th, actually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh yes, never noticed. Funny that. Or perhaps I just meant that its
>>>>>>> been advanced and popularised significantly during the 21st century?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> has it not, to some extent, begun to win?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And whatever that fool Turdbull wants, isnt going to happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no way that Apple will be providing anything that
>>>>>>>> allows govt to snoop on what you are doing and even if
>>>>>>>> they were that stupid, it completely trivial to ensure that
>>>>>>>> govt can't do that, whatever legislation govt produces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The internet isn't all run by Apple (thankfully),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but that was just one example of an operation that
>>>>>> wouldn?t do that even if Turdbull did make that law here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt Apple would do it even if it was law in the US either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rubbish,
>>>>
>>>> We'll see...
>>>>
>>>>> Apple have been part of NSA's Prism program since
>>>>> 2012, along with Google, Facebook, and more.
>>>>
>>>> How odd that the FBI had to try to get the court to order them to
>>>> assist with getting the data they wanted from a particular phone.
>>>
>>> While Apple were looking to clear their name.
>>
>> Even sillier than you usually manage.
>
> OK, if you insist.
>
>>> The NSA and the FBI doubless don't share the
>>> same relationships with companies anyway.
>>
>> Even sillier than you usually manage.
>
> OK, if you insist.
>
>>>>> True they might not have known if they were hacked, but
>>>>> they didn't go into panic mode when they found out either.
>>
>>>> They fixed the problem when it became clear what had happened.
>>
>>> The NSA documents released didn't describe the
>>> actual exploits or backdoors used, so how would
>>> we know whether everything was fixed or not?
>>
>> Because we know that the exploit that was used to get the
>> info the FBI wanted by the 3rd party is not there any longer,
>> so that technique can't be used with updated phones now.
>
> One backdoor being fixed doesn't mean that every backdoor was
> fixed.

Yet another straw man being thrashed.

>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
>>
>>>> Just because some fool journo claims something...
>>
>>> But when they claim something while showing the
>>> actual slides from the NSA describing the system...
>>
>> You have no idea where those slides came from.
>>
>> The NSA certainly doesn't admit that they are theirs.
>
> Then Snowden and the Guardian went to
> quite a lot of trouble just to make up a story.

But you don’t know where he got those slides from.

And it isnt relevant to your stupid claim about Apple anyway.

>>>>>>> and it's not always trivial to ensure that other people are able
>>>>>>> to use systems that you have cause to believe are still secure.
>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but that?s irrelevant to whether
>>>>>> that law would work here, it wouldn?t.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The govt is now legally free to do anything it likes
>>>>>> with respect to fucking over your system to snoop
>>>>>> on it, but Apple particularly goes out of its way to
>>>>>> stop that happening and even refuses court orders
>>>>>> to fuck over a system that they have produced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its all just more mindless piss and wind from pollys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pollys in America and the UK have already
>>>>>>> done a pretty good job of making it reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like hell they have with the most secure systems.
>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense,
>>>>
>>>> Fact.
>>>>
>>>>> the yanks forced the Lavabit email service, that was used by
>>>>> Edward Snowden, to close in 2013 because they refused to
>>>>> install a backdoor which would have allowed the government
>>>>> access to all of their user's encrypted email data:
>>>>
>>>> And nothing even remotely like that happened with Apple.
>>>
>>> Again: The internet isn't just Apple.
>>
>> Having fun thrashing yet another straw man ?
>
> Must be the latest iPhone game...

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

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          Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 20:39 +1000
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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-23 11:14 +1000
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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-25 23:10 +0000
                Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 15:23 +1000
                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-26 23:18 +0000
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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-27 23:01 +0000
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      Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 17:31 +1000

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