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Re: S paceTime

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: S paceTime
Date 2025-02-16 09:13 +0100
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Am Sonntag000016, 16.02.2025 um 06:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 2/15/25 2:10 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> The bottom line is that you have two different opinions:
>>>
>>> Newton says space and time are two separate entities.
>>>
>>> Einstein’s sez  space and time are two entwined entities.
>>
>> You need to replace the word "entity" with "physical quantities". That's
>> how they're referred in physics.
>>
>> But outside physics tools and procedures, time and "change" and ...
>> anything requiring a memory mechanism activity inside a life form, is
>> meaningless. They're just fixtures concocted by some life forms only,
>> and only exists inside them. They didn't decide to create and use such
>> concept either. It just happened that those who had a thing about it,
>> got to last better than those who didn't.
>>
>> You're a life form, Star :)
> 
> I can only go by the official words of Physics that 'they' used:entities
> 
> 
> https://archive.org/details/a-dictionary-of-physics/page/n841/mode/2up
> 
> https://archive.org/details/a-dictionary-of-physics/page/n841/mode/2up
> 
> 
> 
> 
> space—time (space-time continuum) "A geometry that includes the three dimensions and a
> 
> fourth dimension of time. In Newtonian physics, space and time are considered as separate entities and whether or not events are simultaneous is
> a matter that is regarded as obvious to any competent observer. In Einstein’s concept of the physical universe, based on a
> system of geometry devised by Hermann Minkowski (1864—1909), space and time are regarded as entwined, so that two observers
> in relative motion could disagree regarding the simultaneity of distant events. In Minkowski’s geometry, an event is identified by a world point in a fourdimensional continuum."
> 
> 
> 

Time is not a dimension of spacetime!

The word dimension means in connection to space something like 'distance'.

'spacetime' is therefore NOT something like 'Euclidean space plus time'!

In fact time is not really a spatial dimension, because we cannot move 
in time. Actually we are bound to what is called 'now' and past and 
future are just imaginary.

Actually time itself is imaginary, what could be understood as 
'rotation' by the imaginary unit i, which is equivalent to 90°.

This could be seen the other way round and we have the antagonistic 
behavior of space, which is therefore real (valued) for any given axis 
of time.

Now spacetime does not have four dimensions, because the word 
'dimension' (of space) refers to the subset of spacetime we call 'space'.

In fact spacetime has more dimensions then four, because we could use 
'complex four vectors' (aka 'biquaternions') as pointlike elements of 
spacetime, which have eight components.

For any given axis of time this splits into space and time, which 
creates also an imaginary 'anti-world', where time runs seemingly backwards.

This entire thing is then 'spacetime' and each element has eight 
components, which we could call 'dimensions' (in a mathematical way).

TH

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S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-02 20:30 -0800
  Re: S paceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-03 08:06 +0100
    Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-02 23:39 -0800
      Re: S paceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-03 12:10 +0100
        Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-03 10:34 -0800
          Re: S paceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-03 19:45 +0100
            Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-03 10:52 -0800
              Re: S paceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-03 20:43 +0100
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-03 12:41 -0800
                Re: S paceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-03 22:44 +0100
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-03 14:14 -0800
                Re: S paceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-03 23:28 +0100
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-03 18:10 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-03 21:50 -0800
                Re: S paceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-04 07:25 +0100
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-09 23:30 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-11 01:48 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-11 09:57 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-11 10:33 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-11 10:58 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-11 11:33 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-13 21:17 -0800
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 00:05 -0600
                Re: S paceTime Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2025-02-14 16:13 +0000
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-14 11:35 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-15 00:12 -0800
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 11:59 -0600
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-15 00:10 -0800
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-15 12:11 -0600
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-15 21:44 -0800
                Re: S paceTime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-16 09:13 +0100
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 15:01 -0600
                Fickfuck <physfitfreak@gmail.com> 404 brain not found (Was: S paceTime) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-02-16 22:44 +0100
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 14:54 -0600
                Fickfuck <physfitfreak@gmail.com> 404 brain not found (Was: S paceTime) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-02-16 22:44 +0100
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                Re: S paceTime Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-17 07:44 +0100
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-16 17:23 -0800
                Re: S paceTime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-16 18:59 -0800
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:42 -0600
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 21:47 -0600
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 22:13 -0600
                Re: S paceTime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-19 07:55 +0100
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 12:15 -0600
                Re: S paceTime Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-02-23 17:56 -0600
              Re: S paceTime bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-02-04 09:50 +0000
  Re: S paceTime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-02-03 09:34 +0100

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