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Re: astonishing correlations

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: astonishing correlations
Date 2023-09-19 13:57 +1000
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On 19-Sept-23 1:11 pm, RichD wrote:
> On September 18, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> This one is inspired by recent discussion of John Bell's
>>> paper.  It's easy/hard;  non-obvious, yet simple once you see
>>> the solution.
>>> Given a pair of identical detectors, spaced far apart.
>>> In between, a gun, which fires a pair of particles, one
>>> at each detector.  Each detector holds a bulb, which
>>> flashes red or green upon receiving a particle.
>>> It also holds a switch, with 3 positions.  Prior to each
>>> trial, the switch is set to an arbitrary position, randomly,
>>> and independently of the other detector.
>>> There exists no physical connection between the detectors.
>>> You run 1000 trials, and observe the following:
>>> I)  Considering each detector in isolation, the bulb
>>> flashes red/green, 50/50, with no apparent pattern,
>>> it appears completely random.  And no discernible
>>> relation to the switch setting.
>> II)  Considering the pair:
>>> i)  When both switches are set to the same position, the
>>> bulbs always flash the same color.
>>> ii)  When they are set differently, there is no apparent relation
>>> between the colors.
>>> There is no communication channel between the
>>> detectors. However, a particle constitutes a possible
>>> channel, from gun to detector. Therefore, you may
>>> assume that a particle contains an internal state,
>>> readable by the detector. No information is given
>>> regarding the set of possible states.
>>> How do you explain the operation of this apparatus?
>>> Does it seem plausible and practical, in principle?
>>> i.e. considering II (i). Does anything strike you as peculiar?
>>
>> Yes, but only because what you describe is not equivalent to the
>> experiments that earned the Nobel prize.
> 
> <wooooosh!>
> 

I don't think so. You're just trying to cover up your blunder.

Sylvia.

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astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-18 11:21 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-19 10:02 +1000
    Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-18 20:11 -0700
      Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-19 13:57 +1000
        Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-19 11:25 -0700
          Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-20 10:31 +1000
            Re: astonishing correlations Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-19 23:40 -0700
            Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-20 11:39 -0700
              Re: astonishing correlations Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-09-20 12:06 -0700
              Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-21 09:45 +1000
                Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-21 15:58 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-20 02:54 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-23 17:10 -0700
    Re: astonishing correlations Ken Hughes <kenhughes@aol.com> - 2023-09-25 05:48 -0700

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