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On 21-Sept-23 4:39 am, RichD wrote:
> On September 19, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> Let's see, there's reference to John Bell, and the Nobel... we have two
>>> particles which interact, then separate, then an ambiguous property is
>>> measured... does that remind you of anything?
>>> II (i) is the vital point. No connections between the detectors, how do
>>> they coordinate their outputs? There must be messages carried by the
>>> particles, that's the only reasonable hypothesis. What are these messages,
>>> is this insoluble? Not at all: 3 switch positions, 2 colors, the particle's state
>>> represents a specific instruction... how many states, what are they? This
>>> is easy, use binary, it's CS 101.
>>> That's the first step. The next step is the tricky part. Eventually, with the
>>> given numbers, which model real reality, it leads to something peculiar -
>>> Anyone who solves it, kudos! You have derived Bell's theorem. If not,
>>> take consolation, it eluded the entire physics community for 20 years.
>>
>> It still bears no resemblance to the work that earned the Nobel prize.
> 
> You missed the landing pad by so many miles, you splash
> landed near the Titanic.  Good job.
> This simple example, followed to the end, leads DIRECTLY to
> Bell's theorem.
> 
>> Bell's analysis, and the subsequent experimental verification,
>> showed that a hidden variable solution does not work.
> 
> So you can regurgitate something your read in a pop science
> book.  Impressive.
> Regurgitation isn't derivation.
> Echoing isn't understanding.
> 
> "exercise for the student", "work it out for yourself",
> "take up the challenge"... do these phrases mean anything
> to you?  Evidently we have someone who doesn't understand
> why teachers assign homework!
> 
> This is a physics board, presumably there are subscribers
> who wish to delve into this topic  Solving this puzzle, which
> appears mundane, gives insight into Bell's accomplishment.
> 
> You have all the answers?  Great.   First, define "hidden
> variable" and "does not work".  Then, via this example,
> show that a hidden variable solution does not work.
> SHOW YOUR WORK.
> 
> PS  "hidden variables" is mushy, I prefer nonlocal reality, as
> more descriptive.

Ah, changing the terminology - a sure sign of a crank.

Sylvia.

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astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-18 11:21 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-19 10:02 +1000
    Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-18 20:11 -0700
      Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-19 13:57 +1000
        Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-19 11:25 -0700
          Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-20 10:31 +1000
            Re: astonishing correlations Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-19 23:40 -0700
            Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-20 11:39 -0700
              Re: astonishing correlations Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-09-20 12:06 -0700
              Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-21 09:45 +1000
                Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-21 15:58 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-20 02:54 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-23 17:10 -0700
    Re: astonishing correlations Ken Hughes <kenhughes@aol.com> - 2023-09-25 05:48 -0700

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