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Re: astonishing correlations

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: astonishing correlations
Date 2023-09-19 10:02 +1000
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On 19-Sept-23 4:21 am, RichD wrote:
> This one is inspired by recent discussion of John Bell's
> paper.  It's easy/hard;  non-obvious, yet simple once you see
> the solution.
> 
> Given a pair of identical detectors, spaced far apart.
> In between, a gun, which fires a pair of particles, one
> at each detector.  Each detector holds a bulb, which
> flashes red or green upon receiving a particle.
> 
> It also holds a switch, with 3 positions.  Prior to each
> trial, the switch is set to an arbitrary position, randomly,
> and independently of the other detector.
> 
> There exists no physical connection between the detectors.
> 
> You run 1000 trials, and observe the following:
> I)  Considering each detector in isolation, the bulb
> flashes red/green, 50/50, with no apparent pattern,
> it appears completely random.  And no discernible
> relation to the switch setting.
> 
> II)  Considering the pair, things become more interesting:
>   i)  When both switches are set to the same position, the
>     bulbs always flash the same color.
>   ii)  When they are set differently, there is no apparent relation
>     between the colors.
> 
> There is no communication channel between the
> detectors.  However, a particle constitutes a possible
> channel, from gun to detector.  Therefore, you may
> assume that a particle contains an internal state,
> readable by the detector.  No information is given
> regarding the set of possible states.
> 
> How do you explain the operation of this apparatus?
> Does it seem plausible and practical, in principle?
> i.e. considering II (i).   Does anything strike you as peculiar?

Yes, but only because what you describe is not equivalent to the 
experiments that earned the Nobel prize.

> 
> obvious hint: there IS something peculiar.
> another hint:
> https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2022/press-release/
> 
> --
> Rich


Sylvia.

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astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-18 11:21 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-19 10:02 +1000
    Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-18 20:11 -0700
      Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-19 13:57 +1000
        Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-19 11:25 -0700
          Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-20 10:31 +1000
            Re: astonishing correlations Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-19 23:40 -0700
            Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-20 11:39 -0700
              Re: astonishing correlations Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2023-09-20 12:06 -0700
              Re: astonishing correlations Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-09-21 09:45 +1000
                Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-21 15:58 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-20 02:54 -0700
  Re: astonishing correlations RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-23 17:10 -0700
    Re: astonishing correlations Ken Hughes <kenhughes@aol.com> - 2023-09-25 05:48 -0700

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