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Re: A Linux post

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
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Subject	Re: A Linux post
Date	2023-09-16 19:02 +0000
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 13:37:38 -0400, RabidPedagog wrote:

> Microsoft did little to stop OS/2. OS/2 was a victim of IBM's inability
> to market it, inability to bundle it with its own products and inability
> to itself use its own product. The entire history of IBM and OS/2 is the
> company not knowing what to do with it, its employees refusing to
> install it on their own machines (and often publicly stating so) because
> of how crashy the process was and its divisions purposefully breaking
> its legs.

IBM never understood the consumer market. A simplistic explanation comes 
from 'Business Machines'. Build the hardware and then develop the software 
to run on it. Unfortunately for them they lost control of the PC hardware.

That whole era was a cluster. Bell couldn't sell Unix directly but 
Microsoft licensed it and called it Xenix since they didn't have rights to 
the name. Bell was broken up and AT&T became a new player and sold System 
5. Microsoft didn't think they could compete and transferred Xenix to SCO. 
That's when they started to work on OS/2 with IBM since they realized a 
single user/single task OS wasn't going to cut it.

Meanwhile IBM was working on AIX with Interactive Systems, mostly 
targeting RS/6000. Interactive also targets 386 machines. I imagine it was 
scrapped 20 years ago but we had a machine creatively named BigBoBo that 
ran interactive and the code base may still have references to interactive 
in the legacy make files.

Then there was the SCO versus IBM suit that dragged on for 20 years. 

Starting with Windows 2000 Server MS finally had something resembling a 
real OS. Enterprises looked at the cost of generic Intel hardware versus 
RS/6000 systems and the switch began. IBM soldiers on:

https://revenuesandprofits.com/how-ibm-makes-money-understanding-ibm-
business-model/

A friend spent his entire career in IBM's semiconductor operation and 
retired just before they sold it off. 

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2835940/ibm-exits-semiconductor-
business-and-recreates-itself.html

That didn't go well. IBM sued GlobalFoundries for not producing the 7nm 
ships they had agreed to manufacture. GlobalFoundries has sued IBM twice, 
the latest for sharing IP with the Japanese firm IBM is working with on 2 
nm tech.

All in all it's been an interesting 40 years.

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    Re: A Linux post % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2023-09-12 20:18 -0700
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            Re: A Linux post RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-16 13:37 -0400
              Re: A Linux post rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2023-09-16 19:02 +0000
                Re: A Linux post RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-16 18:08 -0400
                Re: A Linux post Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2023-09-16 18:31 -0400
                Re: A Linux post rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2023-09-17 03:04 +0000
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2023-09-21 00:25 +0000
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-21 14:18 -0400
                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2023-09-22 02:02 +0000
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2023-09-22 18:03 +0000
                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-22 14:49 -0400
                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2023-09-22 19:10 +0000
                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2023-09-24 16:56 +0000
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2023-09-26 02:09 +0000
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-26 13:16 -0400
                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2023-09-27 15:58 +0000
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-24 12:56 -0400
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2023-09-26 02:16 +0000
                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2023-09-26 02:39 +0000
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. DFS <dfs@nospam.com> - 2023-09-26 13:50 -0400
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                Re: I couldn't have been more wrong. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2023-09-24 19:24 +0000
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                Re: A Linux post RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-17 20:20 -0400
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                Re: A Linux post RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-18 08:12 -0400
            Re: A Linux post Keppi <gitfiddle22017O@hotmail.com> - 2023-09-14 14:50 -0400
              Re: A Linux post RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-14 16:33 -0400
              Re: A Linux post DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2023-09-14 17:58 -0400
                Re: A Linux post RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-15 07:32 -0400
              Re: A Linux post RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2023-09-15 14:18 +0000
                Re: A Linux post RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> - 2023-09-15 10:23 -0400
                Re: A Linux post RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2023-09-17 12:38 +0000
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    Re: A Linux post vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2023-09-15 01:50 +0000
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