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Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light

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On 7/27/2022 1:22 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 26.07.2022 um 17:54 schrieb whodat:
>> On 7/26/2022 1:48 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 24.07.2022 um 13:15 schrieb whodat:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> 'Space' is 'relative'.
>>>>>
>>>>> That means:
>>>>>
>>>>> what we call 'space' is actually the set of a points, from which we
>>>>> can see things or events happening there.
>>>>>
>>>>> This set of points is also called 'past light cone'.
>>>>>
>>>>> So: the term 'space' denotes our own past light cone.
>>>>>
>>>>> This space is 'relative', because it depends on the position, from
>>>>> were the observer observes (peeps into space).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now every observer is somewhere, but only one at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, every observer would see a different 'space'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This conclusion is flawed. It is not a "different space" but the same
>>>> space as viewed from a different perspective. The balance of your 
>>>> thesis
>>>> has similar flaws not worth addressing individually.
>>>>
>>>
>>> When look into 'outer space' we do not see space, but our own past
>>> light cone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Humanity is not advanced enough to know what it is seeing when we look
>> into "space." We have some theories, but thus far, lack the means to
>> prove what we think see. Our failure to understand does not alter the
>> realities.
> 
> ???
> 
> Sience is actually based on the coordinated efforts of a huge number of 
> people.
> 
> Such many people in combination are usually able to solve every problem.
> 
> It may take a while and usually the number of wrong attempts are large. 
> But finally this system could solve any riddle possible.
> 
> 
>>> Now we usually call that image in the night sky 'space', while it
>>> actually isn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since we don't "know" what we are seeing, we don't know what we are
>> seeing, regardless of your attempts to put words into humanity's
>> mouth.
> 
> We can speculate and chose the best solution afterwards.
> 
> Such 'results' are usually wrong, too, but less wrong.
> 
>  From the best finding sofar we procede to the next solution by the same 
> method, which 'incircles' the correct solution.
> 
> Now it is only a question of time, when the correct solution is found.
> 
> 
>> You start off with a correct premise, but you go too far. There are
>> questions, and there are possibilities, but no more than that. You've
>> confused reality with speculation.
>>
> No, definetely not.
> 
> What I do and what I find is usually called 'assumption' by me.
> 
> It is more or less a guess, but hopefully a little less wrong.

Your key words above: usually, speculate, incircles, assumption, less
wrong. On the last of those, see zeno. Always getting halfway there
gets you halfway there, never there.

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    Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light "erkd...@gmail.com" <erkdemon@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 06:55 -0700
  Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-23 10:47 +0200
    Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-07-23 11:18 +0000
      Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-23 10:52 -0500
        Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-24 08:58 +0200
          Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-24 06:15 -0500
            Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-26 08:48 +0200
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                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 10:11 -0700
              Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-26 10:54 -0500
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-27 08:22 +0200
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-27 11:44 -0500
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-28 10:59 +0200
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-28 10:54 -0500
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-29 07:50 +0200
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-29 10:49 -0500
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-30 09:22 +0200
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-30 12:01 -0500
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Deane Tanzi <xeuc@ojzoleeb.xq> - 2022-07-30 17:14 +0000
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-31 10:41 +0200
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-31 10:49 +0200
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-31 11:07 -0500
          Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Python <python@invalid> - 2022-07-24 14:53 +0200
            Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-26 08:56 +0200

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