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Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light

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On 7/28/2022 3:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 27.07.2022 um 18:44 schrieb whodat:
> 
>>>>
>>>> Humanity is not advanced enough to know what it is seeing when we look
>>>> into "space." We have some theories, but thus far, lack the means to
>>>> prove what we think see. Our failure to understand does not alter the
>>>> realities.
>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>> Sience is actually based on the coordinated efforts of a huge number
>>> of people.
>>>
>>> Such many people in combination are usually able to solve every problem.
>>>
>>> It may take a while and usually the number of wrong attempts are
>>> large. But finally this system could solve any riddle possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Now we usually call that image in the night sky 'space', while it
>>>>> actually isn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since we don't "know" what we are seeing, we don't know what we are
>>>> seeing, regardless of your attempts to put words into humanity's
>>>> mouth.
>>>
>>> We can speculate and chose the best solution afterwards.
>>>
>>> Such 'results' are usually wrong, too, but less wrong.
>>>
>>>  From the best finding sofar we procede to the next solution by the
>>> same method, which 'incircles' the correct solution.
>>>
>>> Now it is only a question of time, when the correct solution is found.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You start off with a correct premise, but you go too far. There are
>>>> questions, and there are possibilities, but no more than that. You've
>>>> confused reality with speculation.
>>>>
>>> No, definetely not.
>>>
>>> What I do and what I find is usually called 'assumption' by me.
>>>
>>> It is more or less a guess, but hopefully a little less wrong.
>>
>> Your key words above: usually, speculate, incircles, assumption, less
>> wrong. On the last of those, see zeno. Always getting halfway there
>> gets you halfway there, never there.
>>
> 
> Well, yes.
> 
> But I use a actually a different method:
> 
> I try to estimate the 'landing zone' and procede from there.
> 
> In this geographic methaphore the distance to the correct solution is 
> similar to a distance in rough terrain, through which a path had to be 
> found.
> 
> If I have two or more 'too far' and 'too close' spots, I can eventually 
> estimate the middle between these 'spots'.
> 
> The correct solution should be near that 'spot', but still in some 
> distance.
> 
> If so, I have searched in the vicinity of that 'middle-spot'.
> 
> I have 'sieved' papers for promising for solutions of related problems 
> and tried to extend the scope of these solutions onto my problem.
> 
> Sooner or later something sticks and I have a solution candidate.

Unless you do original work you'll find no solutions. What you're
looking for is accidentally undigested grain in the horseshit in the
road. The ploy worked well enough when the poor walked along the
railroad track to find chunks of coal that fell because it missed the
locomotive firebox, but those days are gone.

Indeed, you'll have better luck searching for coal along tracks today
now that diesel locomotives are being used than you will picking over
failed scientific theories. Your solution candidates are much like the
roadbed rocks that perhaps resemble coal.

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        Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-24 08:58 +0200
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                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-27 08:22 +0200
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-07-27 11:44 -0500
                Re: Kip Thorne about the Speed of Light Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-07-28 10:59 +0200
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