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Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95

From	Morten Reistad <first@last.navn>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
Date	2015-07-19 10:07 +0200
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In article <PM00051B264AD05C96@aca2d680.ipt.aol.com>,
jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>> On 17-Jul-15 09:29, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> Marxists today deeply discount the importance of capital and the
>>> entraprenurial spirit in producing economic wealth.  They believe
>>> factories just happen and all that is needed is a manager to run
>>> them.  They don't understand the capital risk taken to plan and build
>>> a factory--substantial expenditures that have to be made before any
>>> revenue comes in.
>>
>> No, Marxists don't want to eliminate Capital; they just want to end it
>> being a separate class of people from Labor.
>>
>> Management's job is to maximize the Rent that Capital extracts from
>> Labor.  They do this by increasing productivity (output divided by
>> wages) by increasing output and/or decreasing wages.  In return for
>> this, they keep a portion of the Rent collected and pass the remainder
>> on to Capital.  If Capital and Labor are the same, though, there is no
>> need to extract Rent and thus no need for Management.
>>
>>> While I am not so thrilled about the management talents of the steel
>>> industry, I must give them credit for assuming massive risk in
>>> building a brand new steel mill.
>>
>> That was a risk to Capital, not to Management.
>>
>>> Those things require enormous amounts of land,
>>
>> Land is not Wealth and therefore not Capital.
>>
>>> inward and outward transportation,
>>
>> That is paid for by Capital, yes.
>>
>>> labor,
>>
>> Wages are _not_ paid from Capital; they are the remaining fruits of
>> Labor after Capital extracts Rent.
>>
>>> and raw material supply,
>>
>> That is part of Land.
>
>You are ignoring the biggest part of the econmy:  small businesses.
>
>/BAH

Capital formation is pretty independent of scale. Small or big,
little difference.

-- mrr

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Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-15 19:16 -0500
  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-16 12:47 -0500
    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 05:56 +1000
    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-16 20:06 +0000
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        Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-17 13:57 +0000
          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-17 11:05 -0500
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