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| From | Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> |
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| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 |
| Date | 2015-07-20 13:35 +0200 |
| Organization | Me, Myself and I |
| Message-ID | <d03v7c-e27.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> (permalink) |
| References | <mo8qku$qq7$1@dont-email.me> <d0t6qbFhc80U1@mid.individual.net> <taqq7c-cfs.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> <d12mg9Fsv1mU1@mid.individual.net> |
In article <d12mg9Fsv1mU1@mid.individual.net>, kshy <kshy@gmail.com> wrote: > > >"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name> wrote in message >news:taqq7c-cfs.ln1@sambook.reistad.name... >> In article <d0t6qbFhc80U1@mid.individual.net>, kshy <kshy@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message >>>news:mob4cj$42f$1@dont-email.me... >>>> On 16-Jul-15 16:49, Peter Flass wrote: >>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>>>>> On 16-Jul-15 08:21, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> There is a big difference between earned and unearned. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes; the former is productive and the latter is parasitic. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is downright offensive for parasites to pay a lower tax rate >>>>>> than producers. At minimum, the parasites should pay the same >>>>>> rate, and there is plenty of justification for them paying a >>>>>> _higher_ rate. >>>>> >>>>> That's where Marx got it wrong. >>>> >>>> I said several different things there, so which are you saying is in >>>> agreement with Marx and incorrect? >>> >>>He said that in the next sentence. >>> >>>>> You need labor _and_ capital (and raw materials) to produce wealth. >>>>> One is no good without the others. >>> >>>> Labor alone produces Wealth; Capital is _not_ required. >>> >>>Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. >>> >>>Have fun explaining where the capital comes from >>>to build the factory for the labor to work in. > >> Technically he is correct. > >No he is not. There is very little industry >even possible without any capital at all. > >> You _can_ work with just labour and natural resources, > >That is only really true with hunter gatherers. > >It isn't even true with fishing. > >> but you will be at an early stone age level >> of sophistication regarding production. > >That isn't true with authors or prostitutes etc. You are obviously trolling, or too dense to understand basic economics, Go read the above you posted again, you argue both sides; both for and against my assertions. > >> Even a very small amount of capital goes a long way. > >In fact its impossible to do any real manufacturing without >some capital. Same with most retail too, if only to buy stock >to sell. There are a few exceptions like those who harvest >wild crops and sell those, but not very many at all. Question: what early stone age manufacturing plants do you know of? > >> The edges of all of these three basic production factors are close >> to hyperbolic when you see the responses of the other two as the >> one goes to zero. And having only one is impossible. > >That last isn't correct. There are still some areas >where just labor is all that is needed. Not many, >but still some, most obviously with child >minding and prostitution etc. But the cost of using JUST labour goes sky high even with these. A prostitute without access to medical facilities and modern contraceptives/barrier products will have a hugely increased cost in terms of pregnancies and diseases. An author without access to writing materials will have to commit everything to memory, which has a huge addes cost. Even capital outlays measured in cents, not dollars, will reduce the expected costs for both by orders of magnitude. >>>> Capital makes Labor _more_ productive, Indeed. And the case in the labour-only corner of the graph is stunning. I also commented that labour only has capital and land/natural resources thresholds for the vast bulk of production. I.e. you need a very clear minimum of capital and natural resources (i.e. ore, energy, reduction agent) to produce steel. >>>In fact without the capital there is no factory or infrastructure >>>for the labor to use or to power the factory or to move the >>>goods produced in the factory to the customers who want >>>to buy them or the get the raw materials to the factory. >>> >>>That's true in spades of the mines needed for the >>>raw materials and the electricity etc labor uses. >> >> Correct. However, when near the equilibrium the price per unit >> of all three should be pretty close per output unit produced, > >That's mad, most obviously with software and authors and child minding. I already admit that these are near the corner of labour-only, but they CAN be improved with capital, and the price of that capital should balance with the price of the saved labour. I.e. a TV and/or some toys are bound to make child minding a lot more productive. And software tools like better complilers, faster/bigger machines etc make software development more productive. (I did NOT say faster). >> and all three have tendencies to have long, flat cost curves >> in this area. This means that a small price shift in one of >> them can have large volume effects on the other two. > >Doesn’t happen with all of software and authors >and child minding and cleaning and much of the >service sector that so completely dominates most >first and second world economies now. Come to a country with a lot higher minimum wage and a real shortage of unskilled labour, and you will see what automation of the dregs labour-intensive jobs ca do. >> Some may want to have energy separated >> out as a fourth factor of production, > >Yes, that 3 factor 'analysis' is mindlessly simplistic. No, it helps a lot to understand what is going on, like adressing all the red herrings in this debate. >> since it is getting so dominant in the whole >> natural resource field, and since it takes so much >> of the total product cost of almost everything. > >>>> and in return it extracts part of Labor's fruits >>>> as Rent. That is fair. However, that doesn't >>>> mean Capital is itself producing anything, >>> >>>It is when it produces the factory that labor >>>works in and the jobs in that factory. >>> >>>> and it isn't justification for Capital to pay lower tax rates. >>> >>>It is justification for tax breaks that encourage >>>capital to invest in the factories or infrastructure >>>where you want to enable labor to work. >> >> Capital is global, for the dominant part. > >Not really. That isn't the reason China >dominates manufacturing now. It is part of the reason. Capital has flown to China, and they have been very good at developing and keeping their working capital. >> This means that every nook and cranny on earth >> are competing for the capital to go there. > >That utterly mangles the real story with China. > >> There are only two parameters in the choice >> of the allocation of capital, and that is return >> on investment, and the associated risk. > >That mangles the real story too. Tell me your story, then. Capital does not smell, moves around the planet (acually, around 6T$ are "in orbit" around the planet, invested in the markets that are open at any one time, and thus following the sun around the planet. >> Since the curves near the equilibrium are pretty flat for >> labour, capital and natural resources; (but not quite so >> for energy these days) there can sometimes be large >> shifts in e.g. employment for relatively small incentives >> in attracting capital. > >That isn't the reason China happened, or Japan >before it either. Or America before that either. >Or the Industrial Revolution before that either. No, that was about climbing down the hyperbola. But once recessions hit in developed economies you must put great emphasis on where to allocate the Keynsian extra money. To industries where you are in the open, flat part of the curve;and not near a corner. >> This is why every jurisdiction, almost on the >> entire globe, have incetives to attract capital. > >Plenty of them don’t and in fact >discourage foreign capital instead. > >> That is the only free- flowing one, you are stuck with >> the labous force and the access to natural resources. > >In fact resources are much more moveable than they have ever been. > >Labor has been too, most obviously when vast amounts >of labor headed off from europe to the americas. > >Plenty more would have headed out of China if it had been allowed too. > >>>> Land is where Labor works and what Labor transforms; > >>> And very little of that is possible without capital. > >>> Even someone who is producing an app at home needs >>> some capital for the hardware used to produce that app >>> and so should be allowed to claim the cost of that >>> hardware when his income is calculated for tax purposes. > >>>> unlike Capital, it _is_ required. > >>> Not necessarily, most obviously with automated factories >>> which are almost entirely capital that buys the automated >>> systems that are used to produce the goods. You donā€™t >>> even need labor to maintain the tools if you just replace >>> them when they fail. The most you need in minimal labor >>> to decide what will be built and to design it etc. > >> This is another corner, > >Its not a corner with software. Yes, software is so labour-intensive that you are a little bit up the hyperbola on labour. >> with a similar hyberbolic cost function. > >Completely different actually, particularly >given that the labor can be anywhere. A chinese capable software engineer earns the same as a nordic one of the same capability. (I am talking about the ones able to write daemons on *n*x/windows here). I know, I just did a solicitation for such work. >>>> Much of what you think of as Capital is actually Land, > >> No. Land and mineral rights are natural resources. >> Another of the three basic elements of production. > >Its too simplistic to not include energy now. > >>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. > >>> There is no land involved when you produce the app >>> at home and flog it using one of the app stores that >>> now completely dominate the retailing of apps. > >>>> which is a major source of confusion. > >>> You're the one completely confused. > >>>> (Land is not a fruit of Labor, > >>> It can be, most obviously with land clearing that is >>> needed to turn the land into land that is usable for >>> a particular purpose like agriculture or housing. > >> What you are attempting to describe here is the bootstrapping >> of capital from an overwhelming use of the two other factors, >> and using some capital too as you slide down that hyperbola. > >I'm succeeding in describing where land can be the fruit of labor. > >> Like how the West was built. First there was Land, then >> People arrived, and with minimal capital (but still SOME) >> the US was built. Fairly rapidly, too. A classic slide down >> the hyperbolic function of too much land and labour but >> too little capital. > >Didn’t happen like that in europe. > >>>> so it cannot be Wealth, > >>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. > >>>> and since Capital is a subset of Wealth, >>>> Land obviously cannot be Capital.) > >>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. > >>>>> I do agree there should be one set of rates for all types of income. > >>>> I don't necessarily agree that Labor and Capital should pay >>>> the _same_ tax rate, but I will agree that Capital should pay >>>> _at least_ the same tax rate (on Rent) as Labor. > >>> You're wrong when it isn't possible to calculate >>> the real income with capital gains. > >>>> But really, neither should pay taxes; the only >>>> thing we should tax is (monopoly on) Land. > >>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. > >>> That would mean that those who earn by producing apps >>> in their own home and use the net to distribute the apps >>> and to work out what people need app wise would pay >>> no more tax than those who just veg out in front of the >>> TV instead of producing any wealth at all. > >> I don't understand what point you are trying to make here. > >That if you only tax land, you don’t get any tax revenue >from those that produce apps in their own home above >what they would pay in tax if they just veg out in front of >the TV instead of producing new apps. That makes absolutely >no sense at all taxation wise in a modern economy to be taking >someone like Barb the same amount as you are taxing someone >who chooses to work for themselves producing apps that they >flog via app stores. Tax income, whatever the source. Don't make it complicated. And close the loopholes. -- mrr
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