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Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95

From	"kshy" <kshy@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
Date	2015-07-17 09:54 +1000
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"Quadibloc" <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message 
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> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 3:50:30 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>
>> > It is downright offensive for parasites to pay a lower tax rate than
>> > producers.  At minimum, the parasites should pay the same rate, and
>> > there is plenty of justification for them paying a _higher_ rate.
>
>> That's where Marx got it wrong.  You need labor _and_ capital (and raw
>> materials) to  produce wealth.  One is no good without the others.  I do
>> agree there should be one set of rates for all types of income.
>
> The "labor theory of value" was not based on denying the usefulness or
> necessity of capital and resources in production. Rather, it was simply 
> based
> on the idea that those factors of production are things, while laborers 
> are
> people, and it's only people who need spending money to feed and clothe
> themselves - and for _this_ reason, it only makes sense to pay for that 
> one
> factor of production.
>
> That doesn't mean that the labor theory of value is not rubbish - just 
> that the
> reasons why it is rubbish are a bit more complicated than the one you 
> gave.
>
> Land, resources, and capital can be thought of as the Rodney Dangerfield 
> of
> production - they're the factors of production that "get no respect". 
> That's
> because long before Marx came long, people generally had this gut feeling 
> that
> there ought to be, by rights, boundless expanses of forests and farmland 
> for
> anyone to just go out and take so as to feed his family by his labor.
>
> How *dare* anyone say that people aren't allowed to hunt "the King's" deer
> anyways?
>
> So from Robin Hood to deforestation in the Amazon, it's all the same 
> thing. It
> doesn't help that Adolph Hitler makes it hard to say that, yes, Lebensraum 
> *is*
> something of value that people need, even if stealing it from somebody 
> else is
> the wrong way to get it. (And then George III gave mercantilism a bad 
> name,
> making it hard to rationally discuss trade treaties that prevent countries 
> from
> doing anything to address massive unemployment... but I digress.)
>
> So the issue isn't nasty rich people stealing from everyone, the issue is
> population growth. Which everyone would rather not talk about.

Plenty do talk about it and realise that it is fixing itself.

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Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-15 19:16 -0500
  Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-16 12:47 -0500
    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 "kshy" <kshy@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 05:56 +1000
    Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-16 20:06 +0000
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          Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-17 11:05 -0500
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            Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-17 22:04 +0000
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      Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-16 15:24 -0700
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                Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95 Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-22 16:02 +0000
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