Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard?

Subject	Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard?
Newsgroups	comp.sys.acorn.misc
From	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
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The splash made by my post has died away, I will save all these posts 
and think about my needs.

Pulling it together, it seems that one way or another, all OSs can do 
it, RISC, MS--DOS, Linux..., but maybe I should something that already 
exists, one of the various national keyboards.

All the characters will be unicode characters, that will avoid lots of 
problems. I will think very hard about what sounds to represent and 
how. Some will be easy, "cough" will become "kof", "Cheese" will 
become "ceez", but should I try to represent Geordie "aah"? And I want 
to take a tough stance on "schwa", the "short neutral vowel sound" 
represented by q here - Ascot (ascqt), the (thq), away (qway), gather 
(gathq).

As the characters are unicode, a receiver who knows nothing of the 
system will receive it correctly, and rub his eyes in bewilderment.

Many will be dead against the new system: for them I need a way of 
converting the new spelling to the old. But some will be intrigued and 
want to take it up, they may think they know how to spell 
phonetically, but it will take some time to learn it, so I also need a 
way of guiding them in the new spelling.

By default documents written in the new spelling will have a line 
saying "Written using NewSpell see URL http///xxx".. at the bottom (or 
the top?). It can be deleted, but if only out laziness, most writers 
will leave it there. A receiver can go to the URL and download all 
that is needed for him to convert it all to old spelling, or if he 
wants to, to use to write in the new spelling.

Here I realise that a dictionary is central and the URL will have to 
provide it. I know of some. Americans who have to stage material in RP 
have a "hand list" and an "ask list" to distinguish between those /a/ 
sounds which are and are not changed by the RP sound shift, I don't 
know if there are dictionaries which list and classify alternative 
pronunciations.

I am afraid I also have to think of possible attacks on the site, and 
I know nothing of how to defend it.

Have I thought of all I need to think of?

Michael Bell
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Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
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          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
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      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
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          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
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                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
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                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
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                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
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                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
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                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
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                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
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                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
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                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
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          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
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