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| Subject | Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? |
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| From | Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> |
| Date | 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <64d9037152.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk> (permalink) |
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In message <5270ce801ePaul@sprie.nl>
Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:
> In article <f6fcb57052.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
> Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>> Have I thought of all I need to think of?
> I happen to live in a country (The Netherlands) that has had quite a few
> spelling changes during the last century - albeit not as radical as what
> you propose. Nevertheless, due to these subsequent changes, books that were
> published less than a century ago are now hardly legible, or even not
> legible at all. Therefore, access to books has become fully dependent of a
> consequent reissue after each spelling change.
> Inevitably, quite a lot of books have been lost that way. Given the fact
> that the current spelling isn't more logic, or more easy, than former
> spellings, we can only feel sad about the loss of a considerable amount of
> reference and literature.
> Kind regards,
> Paul Sprangers
Ibsen in the original spelling really is a different language to
modern Norwegian, we know Shakespeare in the Johnson spelling of 200
years later, German changed a lot of spellings about 1900, eg theilen
-> teilen, the reform of the last 10 years was only a minor tidying up
of a really rather good system, the French have dropped the circumflex
accent in ô and û. Change always comes. But complete uniformity is
out of reach, you will not get the folk of Nyookasl (Newcastle) to
spell it Nyookaasl. They just won't do it. And it's a smaller change
than from s'Gravenhaag to Den Haag.
Michael Bell
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