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| Subject | Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? |
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| Newsgroups | comp.sys.acorn.misc |
| From | Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> |
| Date | 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <6027777152.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk> (permalink) |
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In message <00745a7152.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>
Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> M Harding wrote on 15 Mar:
>> In article <5270cda8efsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>> Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <5270c7d22dUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
>>> John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> the now-abandoned 'Initial Teaching Alphabet':
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_Teaching_Alphabet
>>> Thanks for tht reminder - most intersting.
> I have the SIL Doulos alphabet as an Acorn font. It's related to the
> International Phonetic Alphabe (IPA), which first fascinated me in
> highschool French textbooks; it's used in some dictionaries to show
> pronunciation; ITA might be a subset. (Ask me if you want a copy.)
> Michael, look up "Shaw alphabet" on Google before re-inventing any
> wheels. Among the many other hits:
> The Shaw alphabet is a completely phonetic modern
> replacement for the current alphabet. It is designed to help
> speakers to write English effectively and ...
> www.shawalphabet.com
> George Bernard Shaw's will (1950) set up a competition to invent a new
> alphabet. The winner is made up of rather elegant simple mnemonic
> shapes designed to link together in handwriting, unlike the cumbersome
> shapes you get by putting extra marks on top or under the characters
> that (in Shaw's words) "the Romans invented for carving their public
> notices in stone".
> Among other innovations, the Shaw alphabet has no capital letters;
> instead, a "namer dot" (like Acorn character 183) is placed in front
> of a word to show it's a Proper Name. Now THERE -- coming back to the
> original subject line of this thread -- would be an instant way of
> getting twice the use from most of the buttons on a standard keyboard.
> Shaw's play "Androcles and the Lion" was published in a parallel
> version about 1960, the two alphabets on facing pages for easy
> comparison.
> As I said in an earlier post, I learned the Shaw alphabet in my teens
> and still use it for shorthand. Two big questions, though:
> - English phonetics vary widely around the world, and widely even
> within England, so whose becomes the standard spelling?
> - Do you want to lose our centuries of literature and word-roots?
Yes, I know of it and still have it. He assumed the pronunciation "of
his late Majesty King George V, commonly known as northern English"
Word roots - who cares about them? Very few I'm afraid.
Are they any use? Very little. I was once in Norway and had a jam jar
to open. On the lid it said "Vri av". I thought back to my English
roots and recognised "Wrist" - the twister and "Wring" to twist and
saw that "Vri av" meant "twist off", which I did. Was that little hint
worth all those Ws in Wrong places? NO!
A spell-checker turned t'other way round can convert between spelling
systems.
I think the public will accept some new letters in the Roman alphabet,
but they won't accept a wholly new alphabet. That's just my judgement
of course.
Michael Bell
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