Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard?

From	Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk>
Subject	Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard?
Newsgroups	comp.sys.acorn.misc
Date	2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
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Hi Stan


> > > > 
> > > http://mistymornings.net/blogs/lin/?p=17 gives you an idea of how
> > > Norwegian vowels sound. You can also search the net for sites that
> > > provide sound files of Norwegian pronunciation.
> > 
> > Stan, how close are those vowel sounds to their equivalent in Norse,
> > please?
> > 
> You mean Old Norse?

You're right Stan. That is what I meant. In my ignorance, my understanding
is that Icelandic is clos-ish to Old Norse, but wondered how extreme the
dichotomy between the two actually is, so to speak.

> No-one knows what Old Norse sounds like. IIRC Icelandic is closest to
> Old Norse. Icelandic grammar is much more complex that modern Norwegian
> and Icelandic uses letters that don't exist in the other modern Nordic
> languages.

Thanks for that.

> Norwegian was influenced by German to a considerable extent during the
> period that Bergen was part of the Hanseatic League. In terms of
> vocabulary and grammar and I presume pronunciation, Norwegian developed
> away from Old Norse during the Middle Ages.

Yes, absolutely! Reading translations of Norse prose and poetry it would
seem that, again in my ignorance, that the origin of the translator is
critical and would tend to confirm what you have said, eg English,
Germanic or Scandinavian translators sometimes appear to arrive at quite
different meanings.

Sometimes one can say, 'hey, that just doesn't look right', with some
certainty.

It seems to me that it is vital to retain a knowledge of etymology through
an understanding of the origin of different word spellings. Not simply as
an academic process.

> There are still some influences in West Coast and "Ny Norsk" dialects
> that are a bit more German than the East Norwegian "Bokmål" dialects.

> "Ny Norsk" Eg = I = which sounds a bit like 'ich' "Bokmål"    Jeg = I =
> sounds a bit like yiy

> Coincidently 'jeg' in Norwegian sounds exactly the same as the Dutch
> word for 'you' = jij. Which is a bit confusing if you learn either
> language after learning the other first.

I guess to an extent there has been some kind of linguistic ecological
isolation. And, I am minded of one valley in Wales where, until relatively
recently, it was reputed that only Welsh was spoken.

I used to work with ex-miners in Derbyshire. Their dialect wasn't
particularly extreme, but I recall visiting a friend and trying to talk to
his eighty year old father, an ex-coal mine pump-man, and I couldn't
understand one word that he said.

Thanks, Stan.

Regards

Brian

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