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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.computers |
| Subject | Re: The Government's War on Encryption |
| Date | 2017-07-28 10:24 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <etvehrFpvrmU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (12 earlier) <ol8j53$kl$1@gioia.aioe.org> <etqnb1FmntfU1@mid.individual.net> <olb7vh$4um$1@gioia.aioe.org> <ett3jqF991aU1@mid.individual.net> <oldrc6$9g4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message news:oldrc6$9g4$1@gioia.aioe.org... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A new law proposed by Turnbull appears to be aimed at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undermining >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the security of all popular online services using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encryption >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to secure user's data. Particularly those offering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end-to-end >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encryption which ensures that even the service operators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no way of accessing data stored and transferred through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With this in mind, I feel it should be asked: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If terrorism enables the erosion of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities offered by the internet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taint gunna happen, you watch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the key projects of the Western world in the 21st >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> century, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20th, actually. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yes, never noticed. Funny that. Or perhaps I just meant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been advanced and popularised significantly during the 21st >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> century? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has it not, to some extent, begun to win? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And whatever that fool Turdbull wants, isnt going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no way that Apple will be providing anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows govt to snoop on what you are doing and even if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were that stupid, it completely trivial to ensure that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> govt can't do that, whatever legislation govt produces. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The internet isn't all run by Apple (thankfully), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, but that was just one example of an operation that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn?t do that even if Turdbull did make that law here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt Apple would do it even if it was law in the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubbish, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We'll see... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple have been part of NSA's Prism program since >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012, along with Google, Facebook, and more. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How odd that the FBI had to try to get the court to order them >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> assist with getting the data they wanted from a particular >>>>>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> While Apple were looking to clear their name. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, if you insist. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The NSA and the FBI doubless don't share the >>>>>>>>>>> same relationships with companies anyway. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, if you insist. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> True they might not have known if they were hacked, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> they didn't go into panic mode when they found out either. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They fixed the problem when it became clear what had happened. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The NSA documents released didn't describe the >>>>>>>>>>> actual exploits or backdoors used, so how would >>>>>>>>>>> we know whether everything was fixed or not? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Because we know that the exploit that was used to get the >>>>>>>>>> info the FBI wanted by the 3rd party is not there any longer, >>>>>>>>>> so that technique can't be used with updated phones now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One backdoor being fixed doesn't mean that every backdoor was >>>>>>>>> fixed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yet another straw man being thrashed. >>>>>> >>>>>>> So you don't care whether they "fixed the problem" or not? >>>>>> >>>>>> I know they did fix that particular problem. >>>> >>>>> If they fixed one particular means of access used by the NSA, >>>>> that doesn't fix the problem of the NSA using other means to >>>>> access data. >>>> >>>> The NSA wouldn?t have any other means to access data >> >>> Data outright, and the particular data >>> that they want, may be different. >> >> Even sillier than you usually manage, and that?s saying something. > That's saying something then is it? Well if you can just > work out what I'm saying we might get somewhere. You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. >>>> if they have to try monstering the manufacturers to have >>>> backdoors that they can use and when the FBI has to try >>>> to make apple provide access to that data thru the courts. >> >>> The FBI and the NSA might not share the same access. >> >> Very bloody unlikely that the FBI would choose to get egg all >> over its stupid face admitting that it doesn?t by trying to get >> the courts to force Apple to weaken the security of their devices. > Why? Even you can't actually be that fucking stupid. > It's not publicly known what the NSA can and can't do. Irrelevant to what the FBI would be stupid enough to get egg all over its face about. >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just because some fool journo claims something... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But when they claim something while showing the >>>>>>>>>>> actual slides from the NSA describing the system... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You have no idea where those slides came from. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The NSA certainly doesn't admit that they are theirs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Then Snowden and the Guardian went to >>>>>>>>> quite a lot of trouble just to make up a story. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But you don?t know where he got those slides from. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But the yanks want to arrest him for the leak, >>>>>> >>>>>> He leaked a hell of a lot more than just that. >>>> >>>>> So why would he back the Guardian when >>>>> they only publish things they've made up? >>>> >>>> Because he aint about to admit to having made it up, fuckwit. >>>> >>>>>>> so why would he set himself up as the >>>>>>> fall guy when the story is fake anyway? >>>>>> >>>>>> No one really knows why he did what he did. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> And it isnt relevant to your stupid claim about Apple anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course it is, the slides mention Apple. >>>>>> >>>>>> But don?t say anything like what you claimed about Apple. >>>> >>>>> I claimed that they show the NSA had access to their customer data. >>>> >>>> It does nothing of the sort. >>> >>> Only to those with their heads in the sand. >> >> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. >> >>>>> Whether that was by accident or design on Apple's part is unknown. >>>> >>>> Like hell it is. We know that Apple refused to do what the FBI wanted. >>> >>> FBI, not NSA, and they may have just been trying >>> to improve public perceptions after the NSA leak. >> >> Even sillier than you usually manage, and that?s saying something. >> >> Public perceptions arent going to be improved by forcing >> apple to allow snooping on the phone owner's data. > > I'm saying that Apple may have been trying to improve their > damaged public perception by putting up a fight, not the FBI. Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something. They have no damaged public perception.
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