Re: The Government's War on Encryption

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: The Government's War on Encryption
Date	2017-07-19 17:23 +1000
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"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message 
news:okgs61$h1u$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:okc8kb$111$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> A new law proposed by Turnbull appears to be aimed at undermining
>>> the security of all popular online services using encryption
>>> to secure user's data. Particularly those offering end-to-end
>>> encryption which ensures that even the service operators have
>>> no way of accessing data stored and transferred through their
>>> systems.
>>>
>>>
>>> With this in mind, I feel it should be asked:
>>
>>> If terrorism enables the erosion of the
>>> capabilities offered by the internet,
>>
>> Taint gunna happen, you watch.
>>
>>> one of the key projects of the Western world in the 21st century,
>>
>> 20th, actually.
>
> Oh yes, never noticed. Funny that. Or perhaps I just meant that its
> been advanced and popularised significantly during the 21st century?
>
>>> has it not, to some extent, begun to win?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> And whatever that fool Turdbull wants, isnt going to happen.
>>
>> There is no way that Apple will be providing anything that
>> allows govt to snoop on what you are doing and even if
>> they were that stupid, it completely trivial to ensure that
>> govt can't do that, whatever legislation govt produces.
>
> The internet isn't all run by Apple (thankfully),

Sure, but that was just one example of an operation that
wouldn’t do that even if Turdbull did make that law here.

I doubt Apple would do it even if it was law in the US either.

> and it's not always trivial to ensure that other people are able
> to use systems that you have cause to believe are still secure.

Sure, but that’s irrelevant to whether that law would work here, it wouldn’t.

The govt is now legally free to do anything it likes
with respect to fucking over your system to snoop
on it, but Apple particularly goes out of its way to
stop that happening and even refuses court orders
to fuck over a system that they have produced.

>> Its all just more mindless piss and wind from pollys.

> The pollys in America and the UK have already
> done a pretty good job of making it reality.

Like hell they have with the most secure systems.

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          Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 20:39 +1000
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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-25 23:10 +0000
                Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 15:23 +1000
                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-26 23:18 +0000
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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-27 23:01 +0000
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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2017-07-25 23:12 +0000
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            Re: The Government's War on Encryption Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-07-26 06:32 -0500
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                Re: The Government's War on Encryption Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-07-30 02:53 -0500
    Re: The Government's War on Encryption Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 11:01 +1000
      Re: The Government's War on Encryption "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 17:31 +1000

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