Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone?

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone?
Date	2015-10-08 21:00 +0000
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Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-10-08 16:39, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-08 13:23, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2015-10-08, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On 2015-10-08 06:13, Calum wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/10/2015 09:43, FPP wrote:
>>>>>>> Did I miss something?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My Finder menu only shows "Empty Trash"... the option to securely delete
>>>>>>> the Trash is no longer there.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you have an SSD? If so, it's possible they (sensibly) removed it, as
>>>>>> secure delete doesn't really work on SSDs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The fly in that ointment:
>>>>> 
>>>>> While SSD is a poor target for srm, emptying the trash also empties
>>>>> trash on external drives which are typically spinning mass.  (4 in my
>>>>> case).  My practice has been to put private files I want to delete in a
>>>>> special folder on those drives and occasionally run a script that srm's
>>>>> within those folders.  (Secure Empty Trash also ran several passes where
>>>>> a single random pass is more than enough by far).
>>>> 
>>>> I just encrypt everything on the drive with FileVault. So the manner of
>>>> deletion doesn't really matter all that much to me.
>>> 
>>> Me too - but you're still open to recovery as long as the keys exist
>>> somewhere (rubber hose decryption etc.).  I know, I know...
>> 
>> The keys are encrypted with a pass phrase only I and my wife know. I'm
>> not worried. : )
> 
> Hence the term "rubber hose decryption" (aka: court order).

Courts don't scare me. I'll never give it up, based on principle.

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El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 04:43 -0400
  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2015-10-08 11:13 +0100
    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 07:36 -0400
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 13:36 -0400
    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 08:38 -0400
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 17:23 +0000
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:30 -0400
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 20:39 +0000
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:46 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:00 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-08 17:02 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:17 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-08 17:37 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:48 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:21 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:48 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 13:29 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:01 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:06 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:16 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:05 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-09 15:57 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 12:50 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:01 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:43 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-09 18:14 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:29 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-09 14:56 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-09 15:09 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-09 15:13 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 01:58 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:11 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 01:56 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:09 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 11:18 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 11:37 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 11:54 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 12:07 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 12:41 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 13:33 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:26 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:39 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 01:59 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:45 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 13:26 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:00 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:24 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:39 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 15:12 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-10-09 12:09 +0100
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-08 22:21 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2015-10-08 20:53 -0500
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:49 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 17:53 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 22:01 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:08 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:16 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:03 -0400
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:09 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:22 +0000
    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-08 10:24 -0700
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-08 13:27 -0400
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 17:29 +0000
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-08 11:26 -0700
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 20:13 -0400
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:50 +0000
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 15:29 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-10 02:15 +0000
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 14:21 -0400
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 18:51 +0000
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-10-09 12:09 +1300
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-10-08 13:49 -0500
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:35 -0400
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:31 -0400
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 20:40 +0000
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:47 -0400
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:00 +0000
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 17:56 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 22:03 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:08 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:16 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-08 16:40 -0700
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:22 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-09 10:14 -0700
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:04 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-09 14:11 -0700
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:09 -0400
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:11 -0400
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:17 +0000
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 20:14 -0400
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2015-10-09 20:18 +0100
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-10 04:00 +0000
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-09 08:04 -0700
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-10-10 16:00 +1300
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-10 04:05 +0000
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-10 11:02 -0700
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-10-11 10:39 +1300
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-11 10:10 -0700
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 13:38 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 02:02 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-10-11 10:16 -0700
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