Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone?

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone?
Date	2015-10-09 15:57 +0000
Organization	Miskatonic U
Message-ID	<slrnn1fp2p.2snb.g.kreme@amelia.local> (permalink)
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  Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-10-09 03:16, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015-10-08 17:02, nospam wrote:
>>>> In article <d7o3qoFgbrkU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>>>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The keys are encrypted with a pass phrase only I and my wife know. I'm
>>>>>>> not worried. : )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hence the term "rubber hose decryption" (aka: court order).
>>>>>
>>>>> Courts don't scare me. I'll never give it up, based on principle.
>>>>
>>>> a court can't compel you to disclose a password, however, they can
>>>> force you to put your finger on a fingerprint sensor of an iphone.
>>>
>>> There are cases in the US where the court successfully ordered the
>>> defendant to give up the keys.
>>
>> That doesn't mean the defendant can't refuse.
>>
>>> Also NSL's can be used to force disclosure of keys from 3rd parties.
>>> (Lavabit quit e-mail over it).
>>
>> If you can't trust your spouse with your deepest secrets, you married the
>> wrong person. ; )

> Agreed - but that's not what I was on about.

Then you are very confused. There are no third parties that have JRs
pass phrase.

-- 
Yes, I do happen to believe that love is mainly about pushing chocolate
covered candies and, y'know, in some cultures, a chicken. You can call
me a sucker, I don't care, because I do believe in it. Bottom line: it's
couples who are truly right for each other that wade through the same
crap as everybody else, but the big difference is they don't let it take
them down. One of those two people will stand up and fight for that
relationship every time. If it's right, and they're real lucky, one of
them will say something.

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El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 04:43 -0400
  Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2015-10-08 11:13 +0100
    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 07:36 -0400
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-08 13:36 -0400
    Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 08:38 -0400
      Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 17:23 +0000
        Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:30 -0400
          Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 20:39 +0000
            Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 16:46 -0400
              Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:00 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-08 17:02 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:17 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-08 17:37 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-08 21:48 +0000
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                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 16:48 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 13:29 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:01 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-08 18:06 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 07:16 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:05 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-09 15:57 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 12:50 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-09 18:01 +0000
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                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-09 18:14 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:29 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-09 14:56 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-09 15:09 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-09 15:13 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 01:58 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:11 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 21:04 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 17:16 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 01:56 +0000
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:09 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 11:18 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 11:37 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 11:54 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 12:07 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-11 12:41 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-11 13:33 -0400
                Re: El Capitan - Secure Delete Trash Option gone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-11 21:03 +0000
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