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Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: 1973--TI 8 digit electric calculator--$99.95
Date	2015-07-20 06:28 +1000
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"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
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> greymausg wrote:
>> On 2015-07-18, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>>> On 16-Jul-15 16:49, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 16-Jul-15 08:21, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>>>>>> There is a big difference between earned and unearned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes; the former is productive and the latter is parasitic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is downright offensive for parasites to pay a lower tax rate
>>>>>> than producers.  At minimum, the parasites should pay the same
>>>>>> rate, and there is plenty of justification for them paying a
>>>>>> _higher_ rate.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's where Marx got it wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I said several different things there, so which are you saying is in
>>>> agreement with Marx and incorrect?
>>>>
>>>>> You need labor _and_ capital (and raw materials) to  produce wealth.
>>>>> One is no good without the others.
>>>>
>>>> Labor alone produces Wealth; Capital is _not_ required.
>>>
>>> Please give an example where capital is not required.  I can't think of
>>> anything.  Even prostitution requires a bedroom.
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>> /BAH
>>
>> Underneat the lamplight. by the barrack gate?
>
> Lamplights required capital, so did the gates.

But not by the hooker or the pimp, they are there anyway.

> Just because someone is using it without personally providing
> the capital does not mean capital isn't needed.

We are discussing what capital is needed for the conduct
of prostitution in this case. When that infrastructure is
there already, it doesn’t count in what we are discussing.

> Taxing capital, as proposed, would stop trade.

We already tax capital and that does not stop trade.

> people, who would normallly run small businesses,
> would be forced to resort to a bartering system

How odd that they don’t when we already tax capital.

> rather than using government-regulated exchange values.

There are no govt regulated exchange values with capital.

> Just watch Greece.  That country's main economy is
> going to be reduced to a private bartering system
> which doesn't involve Greece's government.

BULLSHIT.

> Tax revenues will plummet to nothing.

BULLSHIT.

We certainly do see more bartering when the economy
has collapsed, most obviously after a world war has just
ended, but that does not see the entire economy done like
that and tax revenue does not plummet to nothing for long.

The Greek banks are being bailed out now that the parliament
has agreed to do what the fools who were stupid enough to
lend them so much money had demanded and the euro will
continue to be used for most of the day to day transactions
unless Greece leaves the eurozone in which case they will
just re-institute the drachma and carry on regardless, just
like Iceland did etc etc etc, you watch.

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